Animal cruelty for sure.

[wilomn]

Don't you think that aligning yourself in ANY way with peta is stupid?

I suppose if you actually have respect for them it would make sense but someone with the cranial capacity you constantly brag of really should know better.

I'm with you on the animal cruelty thing but come on neil, use your brain before you sensationalize.

[opivy]

Wow....

So its not ok to torture an animal and kill it, unless it suits your needs politically?

You guys need to get some help if that's all that it takes to say things are ok. Treating anything alive in this manner is wrong - these are basic rights of anything in the world. I step on bugs here and there, and I swat bee's when they're trying to sting me but I most definitely don't condone and never will an animal, person or otherwise being sacrificed just to prove a point one way or the other. You can EASILY scientifically with past evidence prove that these animals cannot survive these conditions - through autopsies, and through other methods from private owners and corpses found in the wild.

I don't know where this "heard of" article is gathered or quoted from but the entire thing seems preposterous and goober-ed up to begin with. If these are real scientists either someone grossly exaggerated the study or these are the same people who get on youtube in lab coats and tell you that the earth is young.

*gets off soap box*

[Lucas339]

Wow....

So its not ok to torture an animal and kill it, unless it suits your needs politically?

You guys need to get some help if that's all that it takes to say things are ok. Treating anything alive in this manner is wrong - these are basic rights of anything in the world. I step on bugs here and there, and I swat bee's when they're trying to sting me but I most definitely don't condone and never will an animal, person or otherwise being sacrificed just to prove a point one way or the other. You can EASILY scientifically with past evidence prove that these animals cannot survive these conditions - through autopsies, and through other methods from private owners and corpses found in the wild.

I don't know where this "heard of" article is gathered or quoted from but the entire thing seems preposterous and goober-ed up to begin with. If these are real scientists either someone grossly exaggerated the study or these are the same people who get on youtube in lab coats and tell you that the earth is young.

*gets off soap box*

i hope you make sure that everything (and i do mean everything) you use in your day to day life has not been tested on animals.

getting "past evidence" would be hard considering that these animals stick within certain ranges in the wild. and a certain temperature range that an animal stays in dosen't always mean it cannot survive in temps that are not "optimal". studies like these happen all the time to determine treats of invaders. i have seen first hand some of these threats. if it wasn't for animal testing, we would not have any of the medications we now have.

even if the animals were not used for the experiment, they would have been killed. when the burms are found by the people who found them (skip snow ect.) they usually kill them and dissect them to see what they have been eating. so at the very least, the animals used for this study are going to preserve a hobby we are all here for.

[Big Gunns]

Didnt VPI do the same thing in Texas with a bunch of animals in outdoor enclosures?

I can only say this, the people performing this experiment down there were probably hired by a group to confirm or deny a theory. We obviously think its stupid because we KNOW that they will be killed by the cold.

Now, do you think that there are possibly ANY un-educated people down in Florida or across the US that KNOW that these snakes can survive colder temperatures like their native counterparts? All they gotta do is crawl in a hole right? WRONG.....

Wouldn't you find this a VITAL test to prove whether or not S373 or HR669 or HR2811 or any other bill that is brought out due to Florida problem, and a Florida problem ONLY?!? NOT a Federal issue?

Wouldnt you want the people trying to take away your animals to get REAL HARD PROOF that these snakes CANT survive colder temperatures above Florida, and due to the recent cold snap even survive in parts of Florida!?!?

This wouldn't surprise BG if they did even though they would know the snakes would die for a fact. Hopefully they didn't.

Don't you think that aligning yourself in ANY way with peta is stupid?

I suppose if you actually have respect for them it would make sense but someone with the cranial capacity you constantly brag of really should know better.

I'm with you on the animal cruelty thing but come on neil, use your brain before you sensationalize.

Sorry Willy....BG forgot his emoticon. Obviously if you know BG's MO(you clearly don't but he knows Willy's) he was joking..... although....if they didn't picket they could be called hypocrites if we did call.

As far as "cranial capacity". If Big Gunns gave the real numbers, everyone else wouldn't have the "cranial capacity" to understand.

"sensationalize"????? Now why should we start doing that? Oh yeah.....that's what they're doing to us. It seems to be the only thing that works nowadays.

[wilomn]

"sensationalize"????? Now why should we start doing that? Oh yeah.....that's what they're doing to us. It seems to be the only thing that works nowadays.

Killing puppies and blaming others worked pretty well until they got caught.

I suppose if the other side does it then your side should to. That seems to be what you're implying. I know you don't mean that but your superior intellect is confusing to those of us who are so far below that thresh hold of super human intelligence which you so ably embody.

Doing what they do doesn't make it right or the right thing to do.

I'm surprised you don't know that.

[Big Gunns]

Killing puppies and blaming others worked pretty well until they got caught.

I suppose if the other side does it then your side should to. That seems to be what you're implying. I know you don't mean that but your superior intellect is confusing to those of us who are so far below that thresh hold of super human intelligence which you so ably embody.

Doing what they do doesn't make it right or the right thing to do.

I'm surprised you don't know that.

Yeah that's EXACTLY what BG was saying Willy. You'll try anything to make the fans upset with BG won't yah. BG is condoning puppy killing....maybe that will work. Somethings gotta work. Please let me have the spotlight back. Sorry Willy....you'll just have to wait until BG goes on another top secret mission.

[broadude]

Yeah that's EXACTLY what BG was saying Willy. You'll try anything to make the fans upset with BG won't yah. BG is condoning puppy killing....maybe that will work. Somethings gotta work. Please let me have the spotlight back. Sorry Willy....you'll just have to wait until BG goes on another top secret mission.

well..it WAS funny!

[Vypyrz]

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=94808

[wilomn]

Yeah that's EXACTLY what BG was saying Willy. You'll try anything to make the fans upset with BG won't yah. BG is condoning puppy killing....maybe that will work. Somethings gotta work. Please let me have the spotlight back. Sorry Willy....you'll just have to wait until BG goes on another top secret mission.

neil, perhaps in my failed attempts to make you understand that your intellect is so far superior to anyeone's, even mine, you have overlooked to forest for the trees.

I don't give a rat's pointy ass about fans. That's YOUR deal. The fact that you have more than once made a post which can reasonably be taken to mean a certain thing, then once that reasonable thing has been pointed out to not be what YOU thought it was, you have taken refuge in the,"oops, didn't mean to say that/forgot the emoticon/you'll do anything to make me look bad to my fans," stance.

I am unsure why I should care who or what, in the case of the broadass ones, your fans are or are not. Is there some competition of which my minuscule intellect is incapable of perceiving yet which to you is all encompassing? Because I sure don't see one.

Surely one so gifted as you, not only physically but mentally, should be able to flawlessly and consistently write what he means to without confusing the doofuses (doofusi?) such as myself. I mean, it seems to me, far inferior to you, that this should not be a problem but, and this is significant, because I seem to be able to do so myself and, frankly, knowing that I can do something better than you just doesn't seem right. I'm sure you'll agree.

Perhaps in your haste to whip it out and impress these fans you constantly speak of you are not achieving the quality you so rightly deserve to be known for. Perhaps in your zeal to harpoon, or lampoon, those for whom you feel.....envy? no.....hate? again no..... compassion? certainly not ......well, I don't know what it is you feel, no doubt because my simple mind does not have enough neurons, not to mention size (you are the biggest, that's a given) to encompass or experience that which is common place for an intellect as superior as is yours.

Sigh. If ONLY I had a clue about what you were about I would not feel so like a drowning man in the middle of a storm tossed sea with no land or rescue in sight. Alas....

[Big Gunns]

neil, perhaps in my failed attempts to make you understand that your intellect is so far superior to anyeone's, even mine, you have overlooked to forest for the trees.

I don't give a rat's pointy ass about fans. That's YOUR deal. The fact that you have more than once made a post which can reasonably be taken to mean a certain thing, then once that reasonable thing has been pointed out to not be what YOU thought it was, you have taken refuge in the,"oops, didn't mean to say that/forgot the emoticon/you'll do anything to make me look bad to my fans," stance.

I am unsure why I should care who or what, in the case of the broadass ones, your fans are or are not. Is there some competition of which my minuscule intellect is incapable of perceiving yet which to you is all encompassing? Because I sure don't see one.

Surely one so gifted as you, not only physically but mentally, should be able to flawlessly and consistently write what he means to without confusing the doofuses (doofusi?) such as myself. I mean, it seems to me, far inferior to you, that this should not be a problem but, and this is significant, because I seem to be able to do so myself and, frankly, knowing that I can do something better than you just doesn't seem right. I'm sure you'll agree.

Perhaps in your haste to whip it out and impress these fans you constantly speak of you are not achieving the quality you so rightly deserve to be known for. Perhaps in your zeal to harpoon, or lampoon, those for whom you feel.....envy? no.....hate? again no..... compassion? certainly not ......well, I don't know what it is you feel, no doubt because my simple mind does not have enough neurons, not to mention size (you are the biggest, that's a given) to encompass or experience that which is common place for an intellect as superior as is yours.

Sigh. If ONLY I had a clue about what you were about I would not feel so like a drowning man in the middle of a storm tossed sea with no land or rescue in sight. Alas....

There was no "oops" on BG's part. BG knows full well what he posted and why he posted it. Although if you don't believe BG, you can keep up with this "look everyone...BG's really not perfect...I am". He's sure your loyal followers(the weak) will believe it. Clearly BG wanted everyone to run to the phone and call Peta(emoticon for Willy)


Since you obviously have not heeded Big Gunns signature about his "big poker". BG will do what you ask. He will put in simple terms so the "doofuses" can fully understand why you have issue with Big Gunns. Unfortunately for you Willy, BG has a way with words that will clearly show your motives.


Get your cameras ready fans. Big Gunns is taking out his "Big Poker".