thanx BG. yea they are on news paper and seeya, also Jim, what are asf's, i have heard that sooooooooo much, are they a special rat, im gonna try one more time with F/T tommorrow, then i will go with what ya say Gunns, cause its starting to waste rats, i only re-thaw once, so let me try these, if they dotn eat i got a couple big boys that will take them, so i maybe they wont be wasted. also i guess i will find the breeders and email them