lol. well back to square one?but I do know seperate mom good, mom with male bad........tubs have 3 to 1 so that only leaves 2 females with the male? something to do with her neglect ?i dont know, in her nest 4 live babys and in the edges(buried) 3-4 cold and neglected. I was really surprised to see it. I was also told for maximum production to leave females with the males( while nursing )so they could get prego again......