Japan and China Meat Crusine Poll

[mr. s]

How can we claim to love freedom and then say to another culture. "You can't eat that because they are beautiful, intelligent, rare, whatever."

This is just screaming ignorant. Sorry, but true.
How can I claim to love freedom and place restrictions on others? Easily and often, that's how. We put restrictions on freedom all the time! It is the only thing that can uphold freedom. It has been said:

"That which is is governed by law is also upheld by it."

The question is, to what degree do we restrict the freedoms of others? By your reasoning, should we make it legal for another country to dump all their toxic waste on our beaches? I mean, they are a free country right? Who am I to say they can't?

I am not trying to personally attack you, but I think that there are a lot of people who need to educate themselves before they comment. I do not love dolphins because they are smart, nor do I love dogs because they are cute, not when it comes to food. Dolphin and whale is strictly environmental for me. If there was an uncontrolled hunting of bears in North america, I would also have something against it. This may be hard to believe, but I am not even an environmentalist. I however feel as though food chains are taken for granted when it comes to our delicate lives. For instance, if bees disappeared, we would not last another generation. If ocean predators disappear, what does that do to the fish stock? It goes up? What do they eat? Algea, which produces a huge percent of our oxygen. 70-80%

There are far too many people that are uninterested in education, and too afraid to take a stance on anything because they think that people should do anything they want because of "freedom".

This is me taking a stance on something that I have educated myself on in order to limit the freedom of others because I think it is harmful to humanity. If I am educated further to believe otherwise, I will whole heartedly change my position.

(For this particular argument, I recommend the documentary, "The Cove". For general ignorance, I suggest education, any and all education.)

[Seru1]

On our beaches no. If they would like to dump toxic waste on THERE beaches then sure.

Just because we restrict freedoms all the time doesn't make it right. And if you think it does than you need to educate yourselves on our founding and founding fathers.

Them hunting and eating dolphins and whales doesn't hurt me. Or you or anyone! Except the whales and dolphins. Okay if they do it in our waters we have the option to say no. But outside our waters it ain't none of our friggan business.

No hard feelings man we all got opinions. No anger from this side either

EDIT: Though you calling me ignorant kinda stings, I mean you don't even know me dude. As far as Food chains, life finds a way to survive and go on man. There's really nothing we can do to stop that. To think we can really ruin things places to much importance on us.

[mr. s]

Just because we restrict freedoms all the time doesn't make it right. And if you think it does than you need to educate yourselves on our founding and founding fathers.

Seru, the speed limit is a restriction of freedom. The founding fathers believed in a restriction of some freedoms to maximize life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Every law is a restriction to freedom and I am grateful for those restrictions that help me to lead a more full life. I am dumbfounded that you don't mind toxic waste being dumped into the environment as long is it is not your backyard? On the contrary, I would guess that you are against other countries having "weapons of mass destruction"?

You may enjoy reading up on food chains, biology and the like if this kind of thing interests you. I would guess that you have not looked into it that too much.

Oh, and not everyone on here is American. Canada does not have founding fathers, so we tend not to reference them very often.

[Seru1]

Seru, the speed limit is a restriction of freedom. The founding fathers believed in a restriction of some freedoms to maximize life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Every law is a restriction to freedom and I am grateful for those restrictions that help me to lead a more full life. I am dumbfounded that you don't mind toxic waste being dumped into the environment as long is it is not your backyard? On the contrary, I would guess that you are against other countries having "weapons of mass destruction"?

You may enjoy reading up on food chains, biology and the like if this kind of thing interests you. I would guess that you have not looked into it that too much.


Oh, and not everyone on here is American. Canada does not have founding fathers, so we tend not to reference them very often.

Ooooh your canadian. My apologies then I tend to assume.

No I have no problem with other countries having weapons of mass destruction as long as they don't plan to use them against my Country. See again assuming. Unlike some in my country I don't think the US should be always butting in all over the world. I wish we didn't have bases everywhere. It's not our job to risk our boys and protect everyone. Instead we should simply protect ourselves and not worry about "winning hearts and minds" or "Rebuilding". That is again just my opinion

And it's none of my buisness if another country ruins there enviroment with toxic waste. It is infact no one's buisness but that country. People are such busy body's nowadays. We don't have the right to impede another man's god given freedoms so long as they do not affect us.

I am highly libertarian. Like the american founding fathers. I personally oppose speed limits to some degree. But promote stiff penalties for damages cause by the results of driving at accelerated speeds.

I believe in giving people the options and the responsibility, not nannying and mothering someone.

Biology does interest me so I am willing to read up on food chains, but I am a strict science skeptic as most of the science done today is tainted by progressive politics.

EDIT: I was very interested in biology in high school but sense then time hasn't permitted much study. I wish they had classes and stuff for adults just for fun.

[mr. s]

At least we both love hockey.
Too bad both of us don't love the Flames.
hahaha

[Seru1]

That is very true hockey unites

I still can't believe you guys traded jokinen. but I wish you guys luck the western conferance is super competative this year and alot of fun to watch. I may have like 6 favorite teams, but more than anything I just love the game.

[dnnsfam]

"That which is is governed by law is also upheld by it."

This may be hard to believe, but I am not even an environmentalist. I however feel as though food chains are taken for granted when it comes to our delicate lives. For instance, if bees disappeared, we would not last another generation. If ocean predators disappear, what does that do to the fish stock? It goes up? What do they eat? Algea, which produces a huge percent of our oxygen. 70-80%

I have to agree with you, based on what other countries do that affect their environment will eventually affect ours. The world is all connected by the same air patterns, water, and if they were to drop toxic waste on their beaches eventually it would pollute ours. Same goes with the over hunting and destruction of a species can affect other countries besides the water or section of land they hunt upon. Whales, dolphins, birds are not strict to one area and there travel to multiple countries in there life cycles keeps the world balanced. Once they are gone from one place in the ocean other areas will be highly affected as well. I wish another countries problems stayed in that country but that is not generally how it works when it comes to environmental. With the high population, and faster breeding cycles of cats and dogs is a different story. They can be farmed the same as we do cattle, or chickens with out destruction to the species. Dolphins, whales is different, they do not have a litter, and are pregnant much longer making re-population difficult to keep up with the amount of people in Japan and China.

[Wh00h0069]

They should be able to eat whatever they want. It is none of our business unless it is somehow threatening us. Some Italians eat horse. I don't think that would be my cup of tea, but I also don't see how it is any of my business either if that is what they enjoy.

I think its funny how some Americans feel that they are somehow better than people from other countries and should be able to dictate they way that they live / eat.

[771subliminal]

as long as what they are eating is not in danger of extiction i dont see a problem with it, who are we to tell anyone what they can and can not eat if every country got to tell all the others what they can eat what would be left to eat cuz every country looks at something someone eats as taboo.

i actually think that maybe we should allow people to eat cats and dogs over here as well then maybe shelters could atleast give some animals to be used as food instead of put to sleep and destroyed they would atleast be of some use instead of just a wasted life.

[PYMOM]

Do they have farms of these animals? Do they breed them for this specific purpose? If they are catching dolphins out of the ocean...shouldnt we all get a vote on that, cause if they hunt them to extinction wouldnt that affect us all? Yes we eat cows, pigs, Chickens...but we breed them for that purpose...We have a ready supply of these animals for consumption. They regulate human breeding in China...not all that much freedom if you ask me