Is anyone even trying for snows anymore?

[tims balls]

Plus its not a "dead end" white snake so you can still get pattern morphs in the mix

[Fallguy]

I have a pair of Poss. Het snows, that are about 800g. I hope to prove them out one of these days.. years. They got a slow start for us, but I think they are going to take off.

[pavlovk1025]

Ive been wondering the same thing lately. Snows are awesome. Id work with or on them but Im headed down a different path as far as double recessives go.

[Shiffy420]

I have a male albino 100% het jolliff axanthic going to a double het fm. I've got my fingers crossed but i know it's slim. I am also throwing him to a Jolliff axanthic fm and hope to pull a couple fm jolliff axanthics 100% het albino to grow out and better my odds. It's a long shot, but anything could happen and i've got my fingers crossed!

[chago11]

I dont know really.. The only "snow" like BP that I even like is the polar ball and its not even a snow. IMO it looks prettier and is easier to produce being recessive to co-dom.

All you can do is just keep looking. This summer there will be some Im sure. It seems like alot of breeding plans changed over the last couple years because there were so many new morphs and combos produced/discovered.

whats a polar ball? any pics?

[kc261]

whats a polar ball? any pics?

There is a discussion of polar balls and some other red eyed white snakes in this thread, as well as pics or links to pics of most of them:
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...d.php?t=112596

[mainbutter]

easier to produce being recessive to co-dom

It is exactly as hard to produce a snow as a polar ball, both contain two homozygous alleles.

[kc261]

It is exactly as hard to produce a snow as a polar ball, both contain two homozygous alleles.

Actually, the double recessive is harder than a double super co-dom or a recessive super co-dom combo.

Here is why:
For the double recessive, you pretty much need to start out with 2 visual snakes (2 homozygous snakes), and cross them to make double hets. If you tried starting out with a het of each morph, you'd have no idea which babies, if any, were double hets.

For the double super co-dom, you could start out with a super of each morph (2 homozygous snakes), but you also have the option of starting out with the regular form of each morph (2 heterozygous snakes). This decreases your odds, but at least when you hit the combo, you know it.

Moving on to the next generation, you are now pairing double het with double het, or a combo with a combo. In trying to hit the double recessive, if you don't hit it, you just have to keep trying from the double hets. You'll get some that are visual for one or the other of the recessive morphs, and some of those are probably het for the other one, but you'll never know which ones.

But when you pair the co-dom combos, you might get offspring that are the super form of one gene, and the regular form of the other gene. You know which ones those are; you can see it. So if you don't hit the super co-dom combo right away, you can "upgrade" what you are working with to increase your odds of hitting the double super.

I didn't cover trying to make a recessive/super co-dom combo, but it would be halfway in between.

[Ouroboros]

I've got a VPI snow and some double-hets. Great investment. Check out my pic in my photofile I can't wait to breed it with another combo of mine.