Ever seen a Pastel like this??

[Foschi Exotic Serpents]

I don't neccessarily think it's double co-dom maybe just a good pastel produced froma not-so-great one?

WIth you saying you think the female is one of the 'dark morphs' all I can say is that doesn't look like the granite pastels we've produced here, nor does it look like chocolate pastel or sable pastel.


Maybe stop being so secretive and get pics of mum up

Lovely pastel you've produced there, and finger crossed she does prove to be double co-dom down the line

I have pics of mom in my gallery. She looks like an unusual normal. Ive had her since she was a hatchling and ever since she was a baby I have always wondered about her. She is still obviously part of my dinker project so I cant say anything for certain until I prove one way or another but I think she may be a specter.

What is it that you think mom is?

The offspring pictured looks like any normal average quality pastel. Dad looks like a very browned out pastel. Post pictures of mom.

True but that pastel male is a very average/low quality pastel. The other babies in that clutch looked like much higher quality pastels than him. The one I still have acess to because it went to a friend is still very yellow. Even when they hatched there was a huge difference between this female and the others. They all looked like bright yellow pastels but this one started out pink and black and then turned orange. She will actually brown out more than the others. She is already showing it. Plus the oranges are more likely to brown out. Which is why I believe that if the mother is something else, this pastel may be a combo. BUT I have to wait until next year to figure it out.

[Foschi Exotic Serpents]

Another one of the 8 month old female..


Another one of dad..



Mom..




~~And the only fairly recent pics I have sent via phone from the friend who has one of the males from the same clutch. Crappy phone pic..

[The Rev]

Some pastels keep there color better than others I have a Gravid female pastel that looks as good as that one, I think age or even the line of pastel also has somethng to do with it.

[Foschi Exotic Serpents]

Some pastels keep there color better than others I have a Gravid female pastel that looks as good as that one, I think age or even the line of pastel also has somethng to do with it.

True, but what leads me to think there may be something going is just how different this female looked the start. There were 5 pastels. I lost 2 due to an incubator issue. Those 2 went full term and died in the egg. I made a point to take them out after cutting the eggs to be sure they were all pastels. Every single one looke exactly like you would expect any pastel to look at hatching. The remaining 3 then went through all the color stages of hatchlings, except that one female. All the others had the flames, blushing, star ahaped markings etc etc.. But that one female inherited the soled black lines of the mother. No blushing and that oddly dark color.

When the mother was a baby I picked her from a tub of about 30 CH babies. She stood out like a sore thumb. That neck stripe went more than halfway down her body as a baby. Her color was very different. The neck stripe, the solid black bands on her sides, the random burgandy spots, the clear belly, the head circle, are all possible traits of a specter.

Keep in mind I keep saying its possible. I know I need to prove it out if she is anything different, but all these years I have had a hunch about her. What would really be nice is IF she is a morph and IF that pastel female is double co-dom for it, the next couple years could be very interesting.

And yes it is very hard to capture the color even with daylights and a decent camera. I go to shows just to look at pastels of all ages and mine has looked different in every stage so far. Im just bewildered and cant wait to figure out if she is just a dark orange pastel or a combo. I ask my friend how the male is looking and he always tells me he is still yellow as can be. None of them even inherited the creamy color of the father and I have had him since he was about 8 months old too. It had to come from somewhere and Im hoping it came from the mother.

I did make the mistake of not pairing the mother with a YB this year. Why, I dont know. But next year I will. Only time will tell but they just look unique in my eyes. I cant wait til next year on this one.

[Animals As Leaders]

She looks like a normal young pastel to me, while Dad looks like an older browned out pastel.

thats what I thought as well...my one male looks a lot like that in terms of color, he's an 09 at 820grams.

[Animals As Leaders]

sorry for the horrible pictures...I wish I had a nice camera like all you guys. Nothing done to any of them in terms of altering. Kodak 10.2 mega pixil m107is

hes in shed right now, pink belly stage so hes realllly dull. but still doesn't look too much different then what you have pictured.

[mason]

True, but what leads me to think there may be something going is just how different this female looked the start. There were 5 pastels. I lost 2 due to an incubator issue. Those 2 went full term and died in the egg. I made a point to take them out after cutting the eggs to be sure they were all pastels. Every single one looke exactly like you would expect any pastel to look at hatching. The remaining 3 then went through all the color stages of hatchlings, except that one female. All the others had the flames, blushing, star ahaped markings etc etc.. But that one female inherited the soled black lines of the mother. No blushing and that oddly dark color.

When the mother was a baby I picked her from a tub of about 30 CH babies. She stood out like a sore thumb. That neck stripe went more than halfway down her body as a baby. Her color was very different. The neck stripe, the solid black bands on her sides, the random burgandy spots, the clear belly, the head circle, are all possible traits of a specter.

Keep in mind I keep saying its possible. I know I need to prove it out if she is anything different, but all these years I have had a hunch about her. What would really be nice is IF she is a morph and IF that pastel female is double co-dom for it, the next couple years could be very interesting.

And yes it is very hard to capture the color even with daylights and a decent camera. I go to shows just to look at pastels of all ages and mine has looked different in every stage so far. Im just bewildered and cant wait to figure out if she is just a dark orange pastel or a combo. I ask my friend how the male is looking and he always tells me he is still yellow as can be. None of them even inherited the creamy color of the father and I have had him since he was about 8 months old too. It had to come from somewhere and Im hoping it came from the mother.

I did make the mistake of not pairing the mother with a YB this year. Why, I dont know. But next year I will. Only time will tell but they just look unique in my eyes. I cant wait til next year on this one.

Mom might well have something going on, I personally wouldn't think that pastel is doulble gened though, it looks like a very middle of the road, normal pastel.

Also Specter is not a dark morph, and i'd expect a specter pastel to look a little more obvious than that given that all the specter crosses i've seen so far are obvious (super stripe and a few other Haas has produced like the specter x spider etc)

Obviously you'll have to keep her back and best of luck with that.Please understand i'm not trying to be down, but the question you asked was do we think there is anyhting special about that pastel, and it certainly doesn't look like it to me.

[Foschi Exotic Serpents]

Mom might well have something going on, I personally wouldn't think that pastel is doulble gened though, it looks like a very middle of the road, normal pastel.

Also Specter is not a dark morph, and i'd expect a specter pastel to look a little more obvious than that given that all the specter crosses i've seen so far are obvious (super stripe and a few other Haas has produced like the specter x spider etc)

Obviously you'll have to keep her back and best of luck with that.Please understand i'm not trying to be down, but the question you asked was do we think there is anyhting special about that pastel, and it certainly doesn't look like it to me.

Understandable.. Im going on the fact that she look like a completely different snake from the moment she hatched. Her color changes have been so drastic that I just had to hold her back. Im waiting to see what her color does. The mother went through a pretty noticable color change at some point and Im wondering if this pastel will too. The pastel hatched pink and black. The mother as a baby had pinkish orange along her sides which, as you can see from the pictures, turned yellow. Thats a little backwards in the snake color world. I still want to dink around with her (the baby) because of her pattern. If shes not a combo in the end, it would still be interesting to see if she passes on that pattern. Maybe putting her with a banded or a woma. Banded or reduced pattern pastels? If the orange along her sides, below the area that will brown out, turns yellow then I will be wondering even more.

The mother was put to a lesser/russo BEL and a woma. I know the BEL took for sure. I should only get those three snakes from this clutch so I'll be looking for any variences in those morphs that hatch. Anything odd comes of it Im sure I'll be posting pics and asking for opinions again. If that big female does happen to be a morph there is only 2 things I think she could be. Either a specter or a russo het. No BEL's in this clucth will rule out one. Then I need a YB breeding to rule out or prove the other. Its actually frustrating LOL

[shaunb79]

Looks like an average Pastel to me!

[NatelovesBPs]

I dont see anything but normal pastel in her.....