Corn snake morph identity?

[Nevadamoon]

2 years ago she was bred and produced snows, anerys, and normals. She's a recent addition to the family, and we were curious what she might be. She doesn't really look like the snows I've seen, but I'm not really familiar with what corn morphs look like as adults. (I'm used to seeing them as babies. )

Pictures are with the flash, which brings out her yellow more. (but she is very yellow even in daylight.)




The checkerboard pattern goes all the way down her belly.


In sunlight

[PyramidPythons]

Wow! If I had to make a guess, I would say either a VERY yellow Snow.....or quite possibly a yellow Creamcicle. Not 100% sure, though. What a beauty! I her.

[kc261]

Assuming it is a pure corn, I would guess a yellow snow. Butters can also be very yellow, but I don't think they are white like that between the saddles.

Creamsicles are a hybrid with another species of ratsnake, emory I think. I'm not nearly as familiar with them so I don't know about that.

PS - I forgot you mentioned she had been bred. Snow is consistent with producing snows, anerys, and normals. Butter is not, so I think we can rule that out.

[Nevadamoon]

Wow! If I had to make a guess, I would say either a VERY yellow Snow.....or quite possibly a yellow Creamcicle. Not 100% sure, though. What a beauty! I her.

She's a sweetheart, too! Just wants to be on you all the time. Beauty and looks. (though, not like there's too many horrible and nasty corns out there, I guess. )

Assuming it is a pure corn, I would guess a yellow snow. Butters can also be very yellow, but I don't think they are white like that between the saddles.

Creamsicles are a hybrid with another species of ratsnake, emory I think. I'm not nearly as familiar with them so I don't know about that.

PS - I forgot you mentioned she had been bred. Snow is consistent with producing snows, anerys, and normals. Butter is not, so I think we can rule that out.

I'm assuming she's a pure corn, but not sure. The person we got her from (who bred her) said she was a snow corn, but wasn't really sure on her heritage apart from that. I don't really care too much either way, was just curious. She is a big girl, easily over 4' by a couple of inches. Heavy, too, but she was used to eating live rat pups. (He also described her as being a "garbage disposal". She's not picky by any stretch, we offered her a f/t mouse and she gobbled it up no problem.)

I'm not really sure what she was bred with, but I figured that her offspring would give a bit of a clue to her heritage. I didn't see the snows she produced so I'm not really sure if they had the same bright yellow saddles or not.

[wilomn]

That snow has more yellow than any snow I've ever seen. Very pretty. It wouldn't surprise me if she had some emoryi in her somewhere in the line. Her saddles don't look quite corny enough, but that doesn't really mean much, just a guess.

Breed her to a ghost and see what you get.

[Nevadamoon]

What does breeding to ghost do? (Sorry, I'm not familiar with corn snake genetics much at all. ) Would it bring out some things if she were snow, and others if she was something else? Or just generally make some interesting babies?

There's been some thought to breeding her to this handsome anery boy:


With the thought we'd probably end up with some nice anerys and snows.

[wilomn]

What does breeding to ghost do? (Sorry, I'm not familiar with corn snake genetics much at all. ) Would it bring out some things if she were snow, and others if she was something else? Or just generally make some interesting babies?

There's been some thought to breeding her to this handsome anery boy:


With the thought we'd probably end up with some nice anerys and snows.

With the ghost you should get snows and anerys and maybe a surprise or two. That boy in the picture looks like an anery, can't remember if yellow is A or B, so you might get snow, you might not.

Blue Apple Paste is more up on corn genetics. If he doesn't reply to this thread I'd pm him and ask.

[Nevadamoon]

Okay, thanks. I'm pretty much certain the big guy is an anery. Hard to get a full body shot of him (He's 4' and very curious!) but these show his body a bit more:



The yellow on his sides is on his front half.


Also (to keep all my annoying questions to one thread), is this an anery or ghost? I had thought she was an anery, but she does have some fading in her saddles and her eyes are a lot brighter then the big guy's. This picture is from last summer, I'll have to get a more recent one of her now. (Especially considering she just shed last week!) She is a bit browner then the big guy, and her head pattern looks a bit more like the outline of the scream guy compared to the spider-y looking thing on the top of the big anery.

[mr. s]

That is probably one of the most beautiful corns I have ever seen. I seriously love that thing. Gotta keep my eyes open for one now.

[kc261]

OK, let's see if I can manage to remember everything I wanted to say.

You said she's a garbage disposal. Just in case you don't know, corns can get obese, so be sure not to overfeed her.

Genetics...
Snow is a combination of amel and anery. Ghost is a combination of anery and hypo. If you breed her to a ghost, you would expect to get anerys 100% het for amel and hypo. However, it is very common for corns to have unknown hets, so it would not be surprising to also get snows (because the ghost was het amel) or ghosts (because the snow is het hypo).

If you breed her to an anery, you would expect to get anerys 100% het for amel. Again, depending on unknown hets, you could get something else, the most likely thing being snows because the anery is het amel.

I think your 2 anery-like snakes are both either anery or charcoal (also known as anery B). They look too dark to be ghosts. Supposedly the best way to tell the difference between anery and charcoal is that charcoal has darker, almost black eyes. Not sure if your big guy's eyes are dark enough to qualify. I'm pretty sure the little one must be anery, since its eyes are pretty light. Charcoals tend to have less yellow than anerys, but that is not a sure thing.

Blue Apple Paste has changed his user name on this forum and is now Blue Apple Herps. He still gives excellent advice about corns.

Hope that was everything.