Pine/Cedar wood

[Animals As Leaders]

Thank you, I appreciate the links.

I don't know of the northwest guy but he seems to make some nice racks. I would say Gus at Riobravo is reputable, very.

However, have you considered that there are thousands of snakes kept for years, reproducing regularly and living long lives that are kept on pine shavings?

I was just wondering what it would take, and I don't mean just for you, for the stigma of pine shavings as a substrate to fade.

If you knew a guy, hopefully a reputable guy, or girl, who had used pine successfully for years and multiple generations, would you still have the same point of view?

I'm not trying to beat you up over this, I am genuinely curious. I hear this argument all the time, that it is said, said being the key word, to be bad. But is there any actual anecdotal evidence to back that up from anyone who has more than a handful of snakes that they've had for more than a few months?

I must admit that I have not gone in search of such people, but I am curious about it.

I know someone. And hes great w/ snakes. I met him at petco and he explained to me how he used pine for years w/o one problem. Thats what bugs me as well that people think its sooo bad to use pine. If it was as bad as they say then I would have problems right now. 3 months of pine exposure you would think be enough to create some kind of problem no?

EDIT: Probably not the best in terms of proof but he seemed like a genuine guy and not someone who would talk out his arse.