I've purchased 2 snakes from Josh and Ian recently and have nothing but good things to say about them. They are one of my favorite BP breeders. However i would not purchase an animal they received in a trade or whatever, i will only buy animals they produced themselves. I think Josh is great and i dont know what this flipper business is all about, almost every major breeder either trades or buys animals they didnt produce. Greg Graziani built up most of his collection this way. I like outback because they are big enough to be major players in the biz (panda pied, Ian's black pastel line) but not so big as to ignore your emails (like Graziani does...prolly cuz im not looking to buy a 10,000 snake). I like Outbacks quality, service, and they are willing to work with you and give you a great (reasonable) price.