Deja vu... Sort of?

[Bill Buchman]

In 2008 I paired a Hypo male with Cinny female who laid a clutch of ONE LONELY EGG. Said egg contained the best possible result from the pairing -- a male Cinnamon Het Hypo. That male has been a great breeder for me since the summer of 2009.

Fast forward to today.

From a 2 egg clutch (1 of the 2 went bad 3 weeks into cooking -- so make that 1 egg AGAIN!!! ) from an Upscale Caramel x Cinnamon crawled out a... Cinny Het Caramel --- A BOY

Odds are a funny thing.

[snakesRkewl]

And a pretty lil cinny boy he is too

[withonor]

Next year buy a lottery ticket and don't pair any snakes.


Nice looking cinnamon you got.

[Patrick Long]

Now that is crazy....

Same thing......two years in a row....third times the charm!

[rabernet]

Wow Bill! What are the odds of those odds? He's a pretty little thing!

[Bill Buchman]

Wow Bill! What are the odds of those odds? He's a pretty little thing!

Thanks Robin. Wild odds for sure.

I have been looking forward to working the Upscale gene into my out-crossed Nerd/Snakekeeper Caramel Mojaves -- as well as other codom stuff. This little guy will be the beginning.

It can't hurt to have a third Caramel gene in the mix -- and I also believe Upscale-Malsin to be the MOST colorful of the Caramel lines. Now I have to feed him up!!!!

[BPelizabeth]

crappy odds......but he is soooooooooooooooooooo handsome!

[SlitherinSisters]

HOLY COW!!!! Tell me your secrets, what have you been sacrificing for the ball python gods!!!!

Congrats!

[BPelizabeth]

My husband and I were having a discussion about you last night in regards to your clutches over the last two years. (yes we are dorks that are over the top with BP's...lol) Anyways....he stated that he was reading about stuff like this...couldn't remember where....anyways.....he read that if you are getting really small 1 or 2 egg clutches you should let the female take 1 year off breeding. Apparently he read that it is very hard on the female and sometimes that do not produce well every year. ????? Not sure if this is something you want to research or not ....just thought I would put it out there for you.

Again that little baby is precious!

[Bill Buchman]

My husband and I were having a discussion about you last night in regards to your clutches over the last two years. (yes we are dorks that are over the top with BP's...lol) Anyways....he stated that he was reading about stuff like this...couldn't remember where....anyways.....he read that if you are getting really small 1 or 2 egg clutches you should let the female take 1 year off breeding. Apparently he read that it is very hard on the female and sometimes that do not produce well every year. ????? Not sure if this is something you want to research or not ....just thought I would put it out there for you.

Again that little baby is precious!

Elizabeth, I can see after re-reading my post this morning that I was not totally clear about the Cinny females -- my bad.

The Cinny girls that laid the one egg clutches were DIFFERENT 1600/1900 gram virgin girls.

As far as giving girls a year off between clutches. From talking with experienced breeders and considering it logically -- I am less likely to be concerned about a female that laid 2 eggs or 6-7 slugs than I would a girl who dropped 10 fertile eggs. It takes MANY RATS for a 2500 gram girl who lays 8-10 eggs to put weight back on for the next year!!!

Slugs/1-2 egg clutches use much less body weight and girls are able to get back their body weight quicker for the following season than do females that lay big clutches. They do need to eat enough over a few months to restore nutrients for the next season.

***** I am breeding the girl who laid the Cinny Het Hypo last year.