New Butter

[joepythons]

Face it the ONLY way this snake is going to be a butter is if you roll it in butter .Sorry to be blunt but cmon

[Jay_Bunny]

face it the only way this snake is going to be a butter is if you roll it in butter .sorry to be blunt but cmon

[blackcrystal22]

I still think this hatchling might actually be a butter. To my knowledge, the best authority on corn snake morphs is Chuck Pritzel. In his well-known Cornsnake Morph Guide, this is what he has to say about butter corn snakes: "As hatchlings, these can sometimes resemble snows or amels. Butters can range in appearance from almost "snow-like" to almost "amel-like." Saddle colors tend to range from yellow to dark brownish orange, and the ground color ranges from white or off-white to shades of yellow."

So, if this baby was: 1. Known to come from two butter corn parents, 2. Has less vivid red / orange coloring in real life than the picture portrays, and 3. Fits into the known range of butter hatchling appearances ("almost amel-like") per the corn snake morph authority.... shouldn't we at least give anti the benefit of the doubt that this hatchling might actually be a butter?

You can describe things in books, but it's never the same until you see it and experience it in real life. Not saying that Chuck has not, because he has, it's just something that can't always be described perfectly in words.
Matt knows what he's talking about, I can promise you that.

[wendhend]

You can describe things in books, but it's never the same until you see it and experience it in real life. Not saying that Chuck has not, because he has, it's just something that can't always be described perfectly in words.
Matt knows what he's talking about, I can promise you that.

I don't mean any disrespect to Matt, but I have also been breeding corns for several years and have hatched many amels, as well as some butters. I agree that this hatchling doesn't look like a typical butter, but it also doesn't look like a typical amel. I do agree that it is amelanistic in the broad sense of the word, meaning that it doesn't have any black pigment. Yet there is something very yellow about this snake that you don't see in a typical amel hatchling... in its yellow ground color, yellow-orange saddles and even apparent in its golden eye-color in the newer pictures. Looking at the newer pictures, I tend to think that it might actually be a creamsicle. Does that seem plausible to you all?

[joepythons]

Looking at the newer pictures, I tend to think that it might actually be a creamsicle. Does that seem plausible to you all?

The first pic shows enough its a amel .Sorry but its not a creamsicle either .

[Blue Apple Herps]

I tend to think that it might actually be a creamsicle. Does that seem plausible to you all?

That's possible. But amels have such a wide variety, and this one isn't that odd looking of an amel to be honest. As I mentioned earlier, some het caramels have a yellowish tint that can take over their body. But not all do. Though this one does have that coloration one might expect from an amel that is het caramel.

Unless it was sold as a creamsicle or the breeder is known to have worked with creamsicles, I wouldn't label it as such.

[anti-]

I contacted the breeder and he ensured me that both parents are actually butter.


I don't have anything more to say, I'll just post more pics with each shed to keep you updated.

[joepythons]

I contacted the breeder and he ensured me that both parents are actually butter.


I don't have anything more to say, I'll just post more pics with each shed to keep you updated.

Ok have a good one

[blackcrystal22]

I contacted the breeder and he ensured me that both parents are actually butter.


I don't have anything more to say, I'll just post more pics with each shed to keep you updated.

Had the female been paired with other males at all previously? Sounds like this could be a retained sperm situation.
Who is the breeder?

[Jay_Bunny]

Sometimes the breeder can be mistaken. I had a friend who worked at a Petsmart and one day she calls me and says "We have a pastel ball python in the store! I didn't think we'd get one in but a guy who breeds ball pythons came in and said it was a pastel." So of course I go to the store to see this "pastel" and sure enough it is a normal. Some average blushing maybe (my normal female has more blushing than my pastel) but definitely not a pastel and my friend readily believed him that it was a pastel when in fact it wasn't, so you can never be too sure when a breeder labels an animal as something.

And it could very well be a case of retained sperm or maybe he forgot that he paired an amel with the female. I am no corn snake breeder, though I hope to start breeding corn snakes very soon but from what I've seen of amel babies and butter babies, that looks like an amel to me.

I know we are just beating a dead horse (gosh I hate that phrase) but I would do a little more research on your breeder and ask him to send photos of BOTH parents, updated ones, with perhaps a current date in the background just to make sure. I dunno. Just a thought....