Prices seem lopsided to me

[LotsaBalls]

Ok, so I'm new to the financial side of this. I've kept Herps for years well most of my life. I understand newer morphs are going to cost more. But let's use for example; a Super Pastel, they go for about $600. Now a Super Black Pastel goes for about $1500?? Ok next example; a bumblebee, $600. What I guess got me thinking about this was I saw a Mojave Spider, $1750?? So both have spider and I know a pastel is cheeper than a Mojave but not by much. Where do the variences in price come from? Is it ALL supply and demand or am I missing something else.

[Elise.m]

From what I've noticed it's just everyone lowering their prices to make sure theirs sell, and not the next persons. It's very much like the auction house in World of Warcraft.

[J.Vandegrift]

Ok, so I'm new to the financial side of this. I've kept Herps for years well most of my life. I understand newer morphs are going to cost more. But let's use for example; a Super Pastel, they go for about $600. Now a Super Black Pastel goes for about $1500?? Ok next example; a bumblebee, $600. What I guess got me thinking about this was I saw a Mojave Spider, $1750?? So both have spider and I know a pastel is cheeper than a Mojave but not by much. Where do the variences in price come from? Is it ALL supply and demand or am I missing something else.

It's all supply and demand. There are a ton of pastel combo's out there and not as many of the other morphs. When you can get pastels for under $100 their combo's are not going to demand a really high price. Don't worry, the other morphs you mentioned will be there soon enough.

[muddoc]

John made a great point. However, one other thing I thought that should be mentioned is the fact that the higher priced anmals you mention in your original post are probably outnumbered by 10 to 1 by the lower priced animals. In other words, I bet ther are 10 Super Pastels out there for every 1 Super Black Pastel, and the same can be said about BumbleBees versus Mojave Spiders.

Some of the base morphs have become undervalued way too quickly in my opinion. I don't feel like writing a book here, and some more info can be found by searching some other market discussion threads. I just wanted to add that RARITY has to do with price as much as supply and demend (which do go hand in hand).

Hope that helps,

[withonor]

Pastels are more common than other morphs and because of that, there end up being more -pastel x whatever- paired with a -pastel x whatever- and the super pastels are the goal of the pairing, they're a by-product and therefore not as valuable. With the bumblebee versus the mojave x spider, there are more but it's because bumblebee is such a cool name, a marketing thing. New breeders get into this and want to produce that cool sounding morph combo.

There is nothing attractive about a mojave spider advertising wise, it's very plain. The day it starts being called a javabug or something like that is the day it will compare in price to a bumblebee or super pastel.

From what I've noticed it's just everyone lowering their prices to make sure theirs sell, and not the next persons. It's very much like the auction house in World of Warcraft.

That game is the DEVIL! And the fact that you would compare the auction house there to the snake trade is...is...not right!

[muddoc]

There is nothing attractive about a mojave spider advertising wise, it's very plain. The day it starts being called a javabug or something like that is the day it will compare in price to a bumblebee or super pastel.

Where did this statement come from? Without the "Cool name", Mojave Spiders are already priced 2-3 times what a Super Pastel or BumbleBee is. Why would anyone want them to come down in price to match a BumbleBee at this stage in production.

[withonor]

Where did this statement come from? Without the "Cool name", Mojave Spiders are already priced 2-3 times what a Super Pastel or BumbleBee is. Why would anyone want them to come down in price to match a BumbleBee at this stage in production.

I don't think anyone wants the prices to come down. I'm just saying that I think bumblebees are cheaper because they are more fashionable which instead of making them cost more, like a Prada or Coach purse, makes them cost less because people come on here asking questions like "What two morphs should I get to breed together?" and the answers are saturated with spider and pastel to make bumblebees. Then breed a bumblebee back to the pastel and make killerbees. Then supply and demand takes its toll because supply is increased, 10 to 1 as you said. I don't think I've ever seen someone say get a spider and mojave to make mojave spiders, but I also haven't been looking long.

Key word in this is "think", it's just my -current- opinion. I'm not stating any of this as factual.

pastels are the goal of the pairing

That should be aren't.

[blackcrystal22]

Pastels are more common than other morphs and because of that, there end up being more -pastel x whatever- paired with a -pastel x whatever- and the super pastels are the goal of the pairing, they're a by-product and therefore not as valuable. With the bumblebee versus the mojave x spider, there are more but it's because bumblebee is such a cool name, a marketing thing. New breeders get into this and want to produce that cool sounding morph combo.

There is nothing attractive about a mojave spider advertising wise, it's very plain. The day it starts being called a javabug or something like that is the day it will compare in price to a bumblebee or super pastel.



That game is the DEVIL! And the fact that you would compare the auction house there to the snake trade is...is...not right!

That game is not related to any religion, and is only bad if someone abuses it.
Also, it's a pretty good reference. Supply and demand on that auction house highly determines prices, and people are constantly trying to undercut other peoples' auctions. Just like in real life a lot of time.

It's unfortunate, I'd rather just have the high price for a quality animal.

[withonor]

That game is not related to any religion, and is only bad if someone abuses it.
Also, it's a pretty good reference. Supply and demand on that auction house highly determines prices, and people are constantly trying to undercut other peoples' auctions. Just like in real life a lot of time.

It's unfortunate, I'd rather just have the high price for a quality animal.

I'm not relating it to religion, I just stole a line from The Waterboy.

There are three reasons I wouldn't relate the auction house of WoW to the snake industry of the U.S.

1. There are thousands of people in poor countries who play the game ("Chinese gold farmers", not that any or all of them are Chinese) and alter the in game economy.

2. Those people, as well as others, will buy up entire available quantities of things and resell them at a higher price. The auction house is run at their whim.

3. The game constantly "prints" money for anyone who seeks it. In the U.S. only the "Federal" Reserve can do this and does so in their best interest, -ahem-, I mean for the government.

[Emilio]

Tim hit it right on the head.