New Yellowbelly

[dr del]

Ok I'll bite,

How did he prove that the animal is a yellowbelly?

it has a normal belly, no flames to speak of, the head pattern looks wrong and the colour doesn't look right - though that could be the camera as you stated.

Did he show you a picture of another snake and say that is his sister? Or show you a picture of an ivory and say that was his mother?

Enquiering minds wanna know.


dr del

[ralphdp21]

Ok I'll bite,

How did he prove that the animal is a yellowbelly?

it has a normal belly, no flames to speak of, the head pattern looks wrong and the colour doesn't look right - though that could be the camera as you stated.

Did he show you a picture of another snake and say that is his sister? Or show you a picture of an ivory and say that was his mother?

Enquiering minds wanna know.


dr del

Doug, the person who physically sold me the snake, showed me pictures of a clutch of Ivories it produced. The patterns match up. He also showed me a photo of the shelf he was on with the tub labeled according. This snake was taken out of a breeding batch that was being transported. Amir had originally left the yellowbelly that he was suppose to sell me in Miami by mistake but it so happened to be that he had a yellowbelly in the batch that he was transporting, so he sold me that one. He ended up selling me a proven breeder rather than just a simple yellowbelly. I confronted the guy that physically sold me the snake, Doug, and I told him straight up that the patterns and colors don't match with pictures that I find online. He told me that these snakes sometimes don't have very vibrant coloring. He also says that not all the time you'll get perfect patterns. He kept assuring me that its a Yellow belly and he also told me to go visit Amir the next time I was down in Miami. So I'm satisfied.

No, I don't have the photos he showed me. He printed them out, and kept them.

[dr del]

Ah well,

Best of luck when you breed him next year anyway.

Did he say he would refund your money if he never produces an ivory for you when paired to an ivory? Get him to put it in writing.


dr del

[ralphdp21]

Ah well,

Best of luck when you breed him next year anyway.

Did he say he would refund your money if he never produces an ivory for you when paired to an ivory? Get him to put it in writing.


dr del

Great question. He said he can give me store credit. Honestly that works out for me, thats a lot of mice/crickets/worms/ for a while and maybe another animal. So either way it works for me.

Yea, I'm going to get that in writing. That's not a bad idea.

[Nate]

It looks normal. But...Check out this Toffee Ball thread.

I would encourage you to keep the snake and prove it out if you're confident it's not normal.

Post your results, too.

Good luck

[Matt K]

Nothing you've said have I taken personally, but let me say this. Even if that snake does prove out to be a Yellowbelly, I think it is extremely rude of you to discredit the experience of everyone on this board. You haven't over-estimated these people, they are real breeders, with decades upon decades of combined experience. Some people here have been keeping snakes longer then Yellowbellies have been a recognized morph. People were looking out for you here, as they didn't want you to get burned, and you turn around and tell them that their experience is overrated? Rude, very rude. When you say "this message board," you are referring to the individuals who post on it. Likewise, when you say "the internet," you are referring to the hundreds of people who are on here to lend their experience to you. I'm not personally looking for a specific response here, I just thought I'd point out to you, as an impartial party, that you're being very rude. I agree, keep the snake. Even if it's not a Yellowbelly, it's nice, and it will be fun to prove it out. At the same time, I'd recommend you didn't burn bridges on this board. People here are producing wonderful animals, and to have your only ally in the snake purchasing world be this Amir fellow would seem a bit foolish. At this point it's all water under the bridge for everyone involved, but again, as it seems you hadn't understood it to this point, (here comes the word again, haha) you have been rather rude in your last few responses. Again, I wish you luck in whatever happens with this snake and otherwise.

Cheers,
-Matt

[Failshed]

Okay I just got off the phone with the kid who gave me the Ivory. He bought the Ivory from the same exact place that this supposed yellow belly came from, Snakes at Sunset. Snakes happens to be the name of this place here in Gainesville, and after another quick phone call I found out they are both owned by Amir. So its looking like this situation can be corrected fairly easy.

Snakes at Sunset is owned by Reggie and Mike. Father and son. so you may want to give them a call before you start asking for Amir. Amir hasn't own the shop on sunset for at least three years now... Just letting you know.

[catawhat75]

I could have sworn that Amir is a member here, even if he doesn't post often. Maybe he will see this thread and respond.

[crusher]

amir does NOT own it... http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_lhkb8

[Bruce Whitehead]

Never been a big fan of people that post, and when they get advice they pull a "ha ha in your face" type of attitude if they percieve themselves to have discredited that advice (especially when they had none of this information PRIOR to their purchase).

Anyone that responded to this post had your back. They have the experience to give you some very valuable advice, which was research you did not do BEFORE you purchased this snake.

If you feel like thumbing your nose at them, knock yourself out. Hopefully that snake proves out for you, but you got your validation AFTER you purchased the snake.

You seem certain now that you do indeed have a YB (after doing research at the urging of those that took the time to walk you through this).

A bit of research and a few questions, and you could have cleared this up for yourself PRIOR to purchasing your snake.

Bruce