Thanks. I just find it strange that my sumatran and borneo are soo different They are in the same rack with the same set ups and my sumatran is perfectly fine. I will have to move them to tanks again then to give them the correct temps NEver seemed to bother them before Let me go check on those temps again. I just started thinking my helix is set to 90 that doesn't mean that the temps in the tub are that high. Plus I run back heat not belly heat. Thanks for the help