No I did not cycle them Neal. Last year I bred my orange ghost to a normal female and that worked and I did not cycle them so I was hoping for the same results with this pair. I ended up giving the female from the OG breeding to John who she laid eggs for. I have one of the female babies from that clutch now. Some of that was besides the point, sorry. If they do not go I am going to have to try something different. Not always as easy as we would like, huh...