last year i bred a het pied male to a 50% het caramel female..... got 6 babbies being 1.5 and i kept 3 females with the marker. i bred her to the het pied because i didnt have a caramel male or het at the time she was going into ovulation so i figured its a long shot but but also fun. the 50% het caramel female is now on a breeder loan to chris gibson in phoenix to try to prove her out het caramel. i have called around and there has yet to be ne one to produce a caramel pied but im guessing this year there will be someone and it will prob be adam from 8 ball. i was gonna buy a double het caramel pied male from him but i dont really need a adult breeder right yet.... so my 50% het pied that are poss het caramel females are on the back burners till the mother proves out het or not.