Female adult pied size?

[Dave79]

I have a female pied that is over 3000 grams. And 2 that are over 2300 grams.

[Foschi Exotic Serpents]

Thre may be a slight size difference between morph/normal but its doubtful. There IS usually a noticable size difference between males and females. As for certain localities. The desert morph may be a bit smaller but until someone posts a pic and weight of one that is 10 years old we may never know. The sahara region balls are definately larger by quite a lot but its believed this is because of the available diet & difference in climate/seasons. Not genetics. But who knows unless some scientist does genetic testing on them.

BPs fall into the catagory of having an indiscriminate growth factor. Like crocs & many other reptiles do. This means there is no way to say just how big any one BP can or will get. They continue to grow at some rate for their entire lives.

A Retic measuring 48 feet 8 inches long and weighing 983 pounds was discoverd in the village of Curugsewu in Indonesia. No one ever thought they could get that big. I bet that snake is quite old too.

Their growth will slow down & be almost un-noticable after they hit a certain size, but they are still growing. My 7 year old has still not hit 3000 grams. She is still growing. Even her head is a little bigger than it was a year ago. Her growth spurts start & stop depending on her feeding habits. Which are very scattered.

Generally you wont have a BP get any bigger than 2500 grams but 3000+ is very possible as the years go by.

[Big Gunns]

I thought Desert females were supposed to be small? Anyone else hear that?

Small and skinny looking.

Actually there was threads in the BP pictures forums called "Post your biggest female" or something to that effect, and it turned out that all the ones being posted were normals. Lolo76 then post a "Post your biggest morph" and they were a little smaller, not that huge of a difference though.

This isn't an actual study, but it was interesting none-the-less.

The reason for this is purely age and the fact that most morphs have been bred year after year. A lot of normals have been raised strictly as pets. If you go to some of the old time breeders facilities, they have some huge morphs. BG has some het Caramels(kinda a morph) that are MONSTERS. He sold one over 5000 grams.

That's just because more people have older normals.

Yep....one of the reasons for sure.

[Big Gunns]

A Retic measuring 48 feet 8 inches long and weighing 983 pounds was discoverd in the village of Curugsewu in Indonesia. No one ever thought they could get that big. I bet that snake is quite old too.

Come on girl. You can't post something like this. Animal Planet needs to get their facts straight. Big Gunns knows this to be 100% false. When that story hit the news a few years back Bob Clark sent someone in Indo to buy the snake. The person he sent said it was no larger than 20 feet and maybe 200 pounds.

Big Gunns hates this media created crap. BG saw it on Animal Planet just recently and even they messed it up.

[Foschi Exotic Serpents]

Small and skinny looking.




The reason for this is purely age and the fact that most morphs have been bred year after year. A lot of normals have been raised strictly as pets. If you go to some of the old time breeders facilities, they have some huge morphs. BG has some het Caramels(kinda a morph) that are MONSTERS. He sold one over 5000 grams.




Yep....one of the reasons for sure.

Why do I hate agreeing with BG??

Like I said.. Indiscriminate growth factor.. Come on people. Watch more Animal Planet and Discovery. Where do you think I get my info??

[blackcrystal22]

Thre may be a slight size difference between morph/normal but its doubtful. There IS usually a noticable size difference between males and females. As for certain localities. The desert morph may be a bit smaller but until someone posts a pic and weight of one that is 10 years old we may never know. The sahara region balls are definately larger by quite a lot but its believed this is because of the available diet & difference in climate/seasons. Not genetics. But who knows unless some scientist does genetic testing on them.

BPs fall into the catagory of having an indiscriminate growth factor. Like crocs & many other reptiles do. This means there is no way to say just how big any one BP can or will get. They continue to grow at some rate for their entire lives.

A Retic measuring 48 feet 8 inches long and weighing 983 pounds was discoverd in the village of Curugsewu in Indonesia. No one ever thought they could get that big. I bet that snake is quite old too.

Their growth will slow down & be almost un-noticable after they hit a certain size, but they are still growing. My 7 year old has still not hit 3000 grams. She is still growing. Even her head is a little bigger than it was a year ago. Her growth spurts start & stop depending on her feeding habits. Which are very scattered.

Generally you wont have a BP get any bigger than 2500 grams but 3000+ is very possible as the years go by.

Big Gunns is right, don't trust animal planet all the time. They do put up a lot of misleading information about animals, especially reptiles.
The story about the 48ft snake turned out to be false. There are scientific reasons why a snake can not survive to be that large, no matter how old it is. The climate is just not warm enough anywhere in the world to sustain an animal of that size and allow it to digest it's food.

The longest officially documented Retic was around 32ft.

BPs fall into the catagory of having an indiscriminate growth factor. Like crocs & many other reptiles do. This means there is no way to say just how big any one BP can or will get. They continue to grow at some rate for their entire lives.

Sorry, I missed this. I can understand that they GROW for the rest of their lives, but there is no way that they grow at the same RATE for the rest of their lives. Otherwise, the 42 year old ball python would have been much larger than a normal adult sized ball python. Yes they will still grow to an extent, but the growth will cease in adulthood.

Also, there's lots of reasons to agree with Big Gunns, he knows a lot about these animals.

[Mike Schultz]

An adult ball python should be fine in a 32qt tub, although when your females get over 2500 grams they are a little cramped and could benefit from a larger tub.

And there's no difference in size between normals and morphs... We have some gigantic Mojave girls, and I'm sure some of you have probably seen the monster albino that Brian B. shows in a few of the Snakebytes videos.

[Foschi Exotic Serpents]

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Sorry, I missed this. I can understand that they GROW for the rest of their lives, but there is no way that they grow at the same RATE for the rest of their lives. Otherwise, the 42 year old ball python would have been much larger than a normal adult sized ball python. Yes they will still grow to an extent, but the growth will cease in adulthood.

Also, there's lots of reasons to agree with Big Gunns, he knows a lot about these animals.[/QUOTE]

Uh. I think you missed it. Im sure BG got it though

& I did say their growth rate starts & stops. Wether that particular snake listed in an actual news reprt was proven a scam or not, the whole indiscriminate growth thing still stands with most larger constricters and crocs.