spider x spider

[Eventide]

Actually the VPI and the NERD Line of Axanthics are compatible and I believe there are others.

Morphs with multiple Lines:
Piebald
Albino
Axanthic
Cinnamon
Black Pastel
Woma
Clown
Lavender Albino
Pastel
Hypo (There are TONS of linese of these)
Yellow Belly
Lesser/Butter (I know there are multiple lines of Lesser, I think there are Butter)
I think Mojave
Phantom/Mystic
Fire

Ack, I completely forgot about the NERD/VPI lines being compatible. And Albinos would obviously be compatible. But wow, I didn't realize there were so many that had been found in the wild multiple times and are compatible with others! Neat! Though, I don't think the Mystic has been proven to be a Phantom yet (correct me if I'm wrong), and I didn't think the different types of Hypos were compatible (i.e. if you cross a Het Green Ghost with a Het Butterscotch Ghost they can produce a homozygous Ghost).

[OhhWatALoser]

i dont think it would be leathal at all, just think about it the only difference between one ball python to the next is there skin, other than that there completly the same. so yes a spider has different genetics compared to a normal, but they are still the same.

And would a spider and a spider be a pin? not sure just wondering, dont know that much about the ball pythons

no a pin is a different morph

[marct]

i dont think it would be leathal at all, just think about it the only difference between one ball python to the next is there skin, other than that there completly the same.

I disagree with this statement. I have been informed that a few combinations don't survive because of genetic reasons. Also, doesn't the super chinny have a duck beak effect going on? If my facts are correct, then the whole paint job talk isn't completely true. Right?

[AaronP]

Though, I don't think the Mystic has been proven to be a Phantom yet (correct me if I'm wrong)

They haven't bred Mystic to Phantom but the Super Mystic is identical to the Super Phantom, I'm sure there will be a Mystic to Phantom Breeding in the next year or so that'll prove them compatible.\

and I didn't think the different types of Hypos were compatible (i.e. if you cross a Het Green Ghost with a Het Butterscotch Ghost they can produce a homozygous Ghost).

This is true but most Hypo lines are compatible, only a handful are not.

Also another morph I forgot about that has multiple lines: Caramel Albino

[CritterVet]

I disagree with this statement. I have been informed that a few combinations don't survive because of genetic reasons. Also, doesn't the super chinny have a duck beak effect going on? If my facts are correct, then the whole paint job talk isn't completely true. Right?

Correct.

[Egapal]

That...is a contradiction.



We're not doing a Trial by Jury, juries can be wrong, we're talking cold hard facts.

AaronP now you are just being rediculious, thats not a contradiction at all. Eventide is 100% correct. I have a ball python at my house. That is either true or not true. Proof does not make it so, it is or it isn't. When I take you to my house and show you my BP then you have proof. You know whether its true or not. Truth exists regardless of proof. Proof is what reveals the truth.

And again short of genetic testing we are in fact doing a trial by jury. BHB, NERD or any of the other breeders telling us one way or the other is trial by jury. We decide the truth based on a consensus. So no, you are not talking cold hard facts at all.

[AaronP]

AaronP now you are just being rediculious, thats not a contradiction at all. Eventide is 100% correct. I have a ball python at my house. That is either true or not true. Proof does not make it so, it is or it isn't. When I take you to my house and show you my BP then you have proof. You know whether its true or not. Truth exists regardless of proof. Proof is what reveals the truth.

And again short of genetic testing we are in fact doing a trial by jury. BHB, NERD or any of the other breeders telling us one way or the other is trial by jury. We decide the truth based on a consensus. So no, you are not talking cold hard facts at all.

If you say so, but you may want to remember that "ridiculous" is the word... And why are you quoting a post that's 2 days old?

[Egapal]

If you say so, but you may want to remember that "ridiculous" is the word... And why are you quoting a post that's 2 days old?

That's all you have for a come back. I spelled ridiculous wrong. You got me there. I quoted a 2 day old post because I felt it was worth replying too. I wasn't aware there was a time limit. I will work on the spelling for you though.

[OhhWatALoser]

That's all you have for a come back. I spelled ridiculous wrong. You got me there. I quoted a 2 day old post because I felt it was worth replying too. I wasn't aware there was a time limit. I will work on the spelling for you though.

could you guys talk over PMs or something, theres no reaosn to bump this thread so you can argue over....well just seems like the sake of arguing now. this post was just kinda immature.

[Ssthisto]

Yes Pinstripes were recently proven to be a Co-Dominate animal by Barcyzk

there no link, and it just looks like a normal pinstripe,

If the "super Pinstripe" looks exactly like and is visually indistinguishable from a Pinstripe, then that proves that Pinstripe (the gene) is dominant to the wildtype "not pinstripe" gene on that pair.

Dominant genes look the same when heterozygous as homozygous.
Recessive genes only have a visual presentation when homozygous, and heterozygotes look the same as non-carriers.
Co-dominant genes have three distinct appearances - non-carriers look different to heterozygous animals, and both look different to a homozygous animal.

If it acts like albino - a het looks like a normal and only homozygous is different, it's recessive.
If it acts like lesser - a het looks different to a normal, and a "super" homozygous form looks different to either of the other two, it's co-dominant.
If it acts like pinstripe - a carrier looks different to a normal and only breeding trials can prove an animal is homozygous or heterozygous, it's dominant.