1.0 pied X 0.1 100% het pied????

[Egapal]

You would get 50% of the clutch being het for Pied, 25% of the clutch being normal, and the other 25% of the clutch being Pied.

P= upper case dominant allele (PP= normal)
P= lower case recessive allele (pp= recessive)
Pp or pP= both upper and lower case alleles (Pp or pP= heterozygous)

100% het Pied x 100% het Pied

50%= heterozygous (alleles are Pp or pP)
25%= normal (alleles are PP)
25%= Piebald (alleles are pp)

Sure thats true for a het pied x het pied but if you read the post thats not what we are talking about. The OP asked about a Pied x a het pied.

Side rant. People need to understand that a Pied is a Pied, a 100% het pied is just a het pied with someone throwing in the 100% for good measure and a 66% or 50% het pied is a fancy way of saying "not really sure what this is, could be normal could be het pied here are the odds" That was a little long to put in an ad for a snake so they went with 50% het pied and ever sense people have been disapointed when they found out there 50% het pied is really just a normal and on top of all that they have no one to blame but themselves for their disappointment.

[rabernet]

Side rant. People need to understand that a Pied is a Pied, a 100% het pied is just a het pied with someone throwing in the 100% for good measure and a 66% or 50% het pied is a fancy way of saying "not really sure what this is, could be normal could be het pied here are the odds" That was a little long to put in an ad for a snake so they went with 50% het pied and ever sense people have been disapointed when they found out there 50% het pied is really just a normal and on top of all that they have no one to blame but themselves for their disappointment.

Anyone who is investing money in ball pythons or any other type of investment needs to do their homework and understand what all the terms mean.

50% or 66% isn't just some random number that people throw on possible hets, it's an accurate representation of the chances that animal had of inheriting a copy of the gene from one of the parents.

50% means that the resulting offspring were from a 100% het to a normal, and 66% means that the resulting offspring were from a 100% het to a 100% het.

Yes, there ARE scammers who take advantage of the face that hets (even 100%) look like normals in most cases (although there are some hets that seem to have markers that folks look for on the possible hets to help determine which ones they think are more likely to prove out).

I believe Heather (LadyOhh) just recently proved out some 50% possible het pieds this year. Possible hets are usually sold for normal or slightly higher than normal prices, and anyone who purchases possible hets should go into the purchase with no expectations of the results down the road.

There can be disappointments and there can also be great celebration. That's why a lot of people will choose to buy the entire clutch of possible hets. Heck, I'm raising up my 50% possible het clown females I produced - every one of them. If some don't prove out - what am I out? I have a beautiful, breedable weight normal - where's the downside in that?

[merdcme]

thank ya'll sooo much. that definatly paints a clearer picture for me.

[trott]

50%.

Homozygous to 100% heterozygous will give you a 50% clutch, theoretically.

Here's an example using an Albino which would be the same.

http://www.ballpython.ca/what_get/recessive.html

[Egapal]

Anyone who is investing money in ball pythons or any other type of investment needs to do their homework and understand what all the terms mean.

50% or 66% isn't just some random number that people throw on possible hets, it's an accurate representation of the chances that animal had of inheriting a copy of the gene from one of the parents.

50% means that the resulting offspring were from a 100% het to a normal, and 66% means that the resulting offspring were from a 100% het to a 100% het.

Yes, there ARE scammers who take advantage of the face that hets (even 100%) look like normals in most cases (although there are some hets that seem to have markers that folks look for on the possible hets to help determine which ones they think are more likely to prove out).

I believe Heather (LadyOhh) just recently proved out some 50% possible het pieds this year. Possible hets are usually sold for normal or slightly higher than normal prices, and anyone who purchases possible hets should go into the purchase with no expectations of the results down the road.

There can be disappointments and there can also be great celebration. That's why a lot of people will choose to buy the entire clutch of possible hets. Heck, I'm raising up my 50% possible het clown females I produced - every one of them. If some don't prove out - what am I out? I have a beautiful, breedable weight normal - where's the downside in that?

This is exactly my point and for the record I never said they were random numbers. I fully understand what % possible hets mean. Of course there are many people that buy possible hets and prove them out or give up and assume them to be normal. My point is that I have seen more than one person buy a possible het, thinking that its a het and that makes me sad.

[CoolioTiffany]

Sure thats true for a het pied x het pied but if you read the post thats not what we are talking about. The OP asked about a Pied x a het pied.

Side rant. People need to understand that a Pied is a Pied, a 100% het pied is just a het pied with someone throwing in the 100% for good measure and a 66% or 50% het pied is a fancy way of saying "not really sure what this is, could be normal could be het pied here are the odds" That was a little long to put in an ad for a snake so they went with 50% het pied and ever sense people have been disapointed when they found out there 50% het pied is really just a normal and on top of all that they have no one to blame but themselves for their disappointment.

LOL ohhh I thought I saw het Pied x het Pied, my mistake! When I posted my answer and looked at the other answers I noticed that something wasn't right that I typed in my post LOL. Sorry!

[reptidude1]

I'm a little confused - you just dropped $10K on all these animals and equipment, and you didn't research the details of your investment ahead of time?

It's also possible that you'll get all 100% het pieds (no pieds), or all pieds, it's all a roll of the dice.

i totaly agree with rabernet- 10k is a lot to drop on ball pythons, now that im looking at ur posts, are these your first bps???? If so, and no offense but you are looking at this just for the money IT IS THE WRONG REASON buying that many breeders for 10k and not knowing your stuff is a CRAZY amount of money to spend. Also before you make money for these guys you will loose ALOT of money, but hey im probobly worng. Anyone willing to sepnd 10k for that many bps at once shud be able to take care of them all like they deserve, and that is what really matters

[irishanaconda]

well i dont think the OP even said he had them, just asked "what could i get" but it still could be he doesnt even have a pied but just asked a simple question. and rab hit the ginetics on the nose, i breed one of my 100%het pieds last year to a 50% poss het caramel female (because i didnt have a male het or visual for the caramel gene) she was sent to phoenix this year on a breeder loan this year to be bred to a visual caramel and if she proves out i will have poss double het caramels and pieds, if not i will just have poss het pieds. so i kept all of the female ball pythons with the "het pied" markers and did trades or gave away the babbies.

[Serpent_Nirvana]

This is exactly my point and for the record I never said they were random numbers. I fully understand what % possible hets mean. Of course there are many people that buy possible hets and prove them out or give up and assume them to be normal. My point is that I have seen more than one person buy a possible het, thinking that its a het and that makes me sad.

I think the problem is that a lot of sellers will put "50% het" or "66% het" instead of "50% possible het." To someone who either hasn't taken the time to educate themselves about genetics, or who is struggling with the concepts, I think that could easily be misunderstood as something along the lines of "50% of its babies will be het" or something like that, as opposed to the more accurate "there is a 50% chance that this animal will be het."

Add in the rather ludicrous term "100% het" (it's either het or it's not! Wouldn't "guaranteed het" be a more accurate, and less misleading term?) and it's easy for me to see how someone who doesn't really understand genetics could get confused about what the %'s mean.

Um ... Yeah, that got off-topic, didn't it?

[OhhWatALoser]

but you are looking at this just for the money IT IS THE WRONG REASON buying that many breeders for 10k and not knowing your stuff is a CRAZY amount of money to spend.

people spends way more than that on single animals not know crap about gentics. not crazy really, what you get for 10 grand is my question? and there are some people that do this for the money and really whats wrong with that if you ask me. If they fail because its not what they expected thats their fault. I've always said theres alot better hobbies to make money without as much risk/time/money invested. some people choose this for some unknown reason... let em.

and its not the breeders fault if they type 50% het instead of 50% possible het. if you don't understand the gentics, then its your fault when your disappointed.

guess my whole post can be summerized as do your research and stop blaming everyone else.