Butter and Lesser platinum

[Starsnake]

Is there a gentic difference between the two? Am new to ball python morphs and am interested in the two.

[mainbutter]

Good question. This is often debated, and I think it's impossible to know for sure.

Personally, I consider them close enough that I just don't care about which morph it is, and just judge the individual animal more.

[Starsnake]

Does butter to butter create the blue-eyed leucistics also?

[Oxylepy]

Yes, yes they do.

I believe it's: Butter, Lesser, and Vin Russo that are all het for BEL and will produce them when bred in any combination between them. Then you have Mojaves and Phantoms which both produce very distinct animals when bred to themselves but BELs when bred to the other 3.

Outside of those 5 I don't know of any other Blue Eyed Leucistic forming snakes.

[Starsnake]

Thanks for the help. I hope to get to cross butters in the future.

[matt71915]

Some say butters and lessers are the exact same thing, some don't.
I think that they are different morphs, they both have animals that look like the other morph and some that look way different.

[Matt K]

Yes, yes they do.

I believe it's: Butter, Lesser, and Vin Russo that are all het for BEL and will produce them when bred in any combination between them. Then you have Mojaves and Phantoms which both produce very distinct animals when bred to themselves but BELs when bred to the other 3.

Outside of those 5 I don't know of any other Blue Eyed Leucistic forming snakes.

The Super Fire is also a Leucistic, but it's blacked eyed, and sometimes has some yellow coloration to it.

Cheers,
-Matt

[Oxylepy]

The Super Fire is also a Leucistic, but it's blacked eyed, and sometimes has some yellow coloration to it.

Cheers,
-Matt

I was making the distinction between Blue and Black because I assumed he only wanted Blues.

Black Eyed Lucys can be formed with Sulfurs and Fires, which from last i heard were separate morphs but in question in the same way that Butters and Lessers are.

Again I think those are the only 2 Black EL forming morphs.

[Blue Apple Herps]

Outside of those 5 I don't know of any other Blue Eyed Leucistic forming snakes.

There's also the mystic and special that are part of the BEL complex, but the super forms of them don't really make BELs and when either are mixed with mojave, you get mystic potions and crystal bps, which again aren't really BEL.

[Oxylepy]

But when they are mixed with Lessers, Butters and Vin Russos do they make BELs? If so they may as well be a consideration as secondary BEL making genes along side Mojaves and Phantoms. Personally I love the ones that have more bang for their genes, like the Phantoms, where you can breed them to say a lesser and produce a BEL then breed them back to the Phantom and possibly produce BELs or Super Phantoms. :3