wow winged....I did not even think of that. THANK YOU!!! You just saved me a "look from the hubby when I messed stuff up....lol. I was already going to drill a large hole into the shelf above to set therms on....haha...not sure how he will do with that one. Just thought I'd surprise him. I am the snake freak and he is slowly coming around to embracing the fact that we will have several! Great info!!