Het axanthic markers?

[JLC]

I agree that if a het has "markers" that are 100% reliable...then it's not a recessive trait, but a co-dominant one. Yellow bellies for instance...most of them look pretty "normal", especially to an untrained eye...but they do have very distinct characteristics that make it possible to tell what they are. And they do affect other morphs quite distinctly, as well.

But "markers" in the general sense, can apply without considering the animal co-dominant. They just aren't a reliable gauge. Like the belly striping on het pieds. Some have it...some don't. Some that seem to have it aren't het pieds. BUT...if you're looking at a clutch of possible hets...you know you'll key into those markers if you can.

I don't know of any reliable "markers" for het axanthics...but I DO know that sometimes (not always) they can affect another morph they have been combined with. A pastel-het-VPI may not look like a regular pastel. But, like the markers, this isn't a reliable trait to look for...and I don't remember enough about it to talk in more detail about it.

[Patrick Long]

sorry, only "markers" are the pied rings and their not reliable.

This is sooo not true.

[Turbo Serpent]

This is sooo not true.

Then what else is there Pat?

[Patrick Long]

Then what else is there Pat?

[Turbo Serpent]

Ass.

[Twisted Reptiles]

Walked right into that one.

[MPenn]

If they have markers, then its a co-dom morph by definition

When the question was asked about markers, then what does stand out on all of the ones that I have seen stands true. The pied "marker" is a perfect example. It is not always the case but generally holds true. That is why I asked what line of axanthic since I only have experience with VPI. Goff if you will, but it is your loss.

It is not the body or a blackback appearance. It is subtle.

[Turbo Serpent]

When the question was asked about markers, then what does stand out on all of the ones that I have seen stands true. The pied "marker" is a perfect example. It is not always the case but generally holds true. That is why I asked what line of axanthic since I only have experience with VPI. Goff if you will, but it is your loss.

It is not the body or a blackback appearance. It is subtle.

What from your experience is it then?

I will look at my pair and tell you if it holds true.

[twistedtails]

When the question was asked about markers, then what does stand out on all of the ones that I have seen stands true. The pied "marker" is a perfect example. It is not always the case but generally holds true. That is why I asked what line of axanthic since I only have experience with VPI. Goff if you will, but it is your loss.

It is not the body or a blackback appearance. It is subtle.

Alright now you have me spinning circles here. Are you trying to tell me that it is a lack of something?

[RandyRemington]

I'd love to know too. I picked my 66% chance het VPI axanthic + 66% chance het albino male based on the black back reduced pattern rumor a while back. The daughter I picked to hold back this year is also fairly reduced pattern and was the brighter more contrast (low yellow?) one. But it's a long shot she has the VPI axanthic gene much less both even if I knew what to look for on the VPI axanthic side.

If anyone has any good pointers for het stripes I could use that too! I’ve got three possible possible double het albino stripe girls and not sure I want to keep that many (but probably will).