ok I'm a bit confused. Yellow Belly..Spector..Superstripe WHAT!

[MarkS]

I would assume #1 and #2(specifically the part about normals) would be contradictory.

You're right. It would be.

[Blue Apple Herps]

One would assume that if it were a normal double co-dom that a SS x Normal would yield 25% Spector 25% YB and 50% Normal....

What is leading everyone to assume that no normals are possible from that pairing?

Is it because no Super Spector has been created so it is presumably Dominant?

Actually if it is allelic to each other and at the same locus, then a SS x normal would = yellow belly or spector/mystery gene, no normals.

But if they're on different loci, and more like a "regular" double co-dom, then you'd expect 25% yb, 25% spector, 25% normal, and 25% SS. But since it so far can't reproduce itself, that gives credence to the idea that they're not separate genes, but different alleles.

But again, if they're just different alleles, then you wouldn't expect any normals. Unless the normals are actually just a variation in the spector/mystery gene animals - but I haven't any in person so have no idea if a mystery animal is clear cut different than a normal.

[mxrider42]

From the information that is released from those who have breed them. Super Stripes will not reproduce themselves when breed to normals and they also can produce normals. So it is not a super form (ex: super pastel) and it is not a double co-dom (ex:bumblebee). We will have to come up with a new genetic classification for them. I am not a genetic expert, there may already be a word for this. Just shows we are only scratching the surface of genetics.
trey

[Whoodnballs]

From the information that is released from those who have breed them. Super Stripes will not reproduce themselves when breed to normals and they also can produce normals. So it is not a super form (ex: super pastel) and it is not a double co-dom (ex:bumblebee). We will have to come up with a new genetic classification for them. I am not a genetic expert, there may already be a word for this. Just shows we are only scratching the surface of genetics.
trey

If the phenotyes I'm playing around with are right the outcome that I get verifies everything you've said. However, the normals that are produced would be het for, I know this sounds wierd but, yellow belly or het for spector. In the sence that they would have a hidden gene that when crossed with a normal could produce yellow belly or spector respectively. just a shot in the dark but, but like you've all have said we are just scratching the surface here.

[nixer]

From the information that is released from those who have breed them. Super Stripes will not reproduce themselves when breed to normals and they also can produce normals. So it is not a super form (ex: super pastel) and it is not a double co-dom (ex:bumblebee). We will have to come up with a new genetic classification for them. I am not a genetic expert, there may already be a word for this. Just shows we are only scratching the surface of genetics.
trey

this is where the extra confusion is added

[Turbo Serpent]

If the phenotyes I'm playing around with are right the outcome that I get verifies everything you've said. However, the normals that are produced would be het for, I know this sounds wierd but, yellow belly or het for spector. In the sence that they would have a hidden gene that when crossed with a normal could produce yellow belly or spector respectively. just a shot in the dark but, but like you've all have said we are just scratching the surface here.

Seeing as YB and Specter are both co-dom they cannot be het in the recessive sense where they appear normal but carry a gene for that morph.

The only other theory is that there is actually a 3rd hidden gene or additional gene in play here, or that they are simply part of the same complex. Similiar to the BEL complex in that some produce BELs and others produce variances of the BEL (ie Mystic/Phantom/Special)

[Whoodnballs]

Seeing as YB and Specter are both co-dom they cannot be het in the recessive sense where they appear normal but carry a gene for that morph.

well I know that. hence the "I know this sounds wierd" part...

The only other theory is that there is actually a 3rd hidden gene or additional gene in play here, or that they are simply part of the same complex. Similiar to the BEL complex in that some produce BELs and others produce variances of the BEL (ie Mystic/Phantom/Special)

So in a sence your saying that superstripe is equal to a BEL in terms of genetics? where YB would be similar to the phantom part of BEL where the super looks differant to the other supers or combos?

[mxrider42]

If the phenotyes I'm playing around with are right the outcome that I get verifies everything you've said. However, the normals that are produced would be het for, I know this sounds wierd but, yellow belly or het for spector. In the sence that they would have a hidden gene that when crossed with a normal could produce yellow belly or spector respectively. just a shot in the dark but, but like you've all have said we are just scratching the surface here.

I only have seen pictures of Specter/ Whirlwinds. But from everyone I talked to there is a visual difference between specters and normals.
You could be right about the hidden gene also.
They are similar to the BEL's in that they don't reproduce themselves when breed to normals but different in that they can produce normals.
Only time will tell.
Trey

[Turbo Serpent]

well I know that. hence the "I know this sounds wierd" part...



So in a sence your saying that superstripe is equal to a BEL in terms of genetics? where YB would be similar to the phantom part of BEL where the super looks differant to the other supers or combos?

I was referring to the fact that the BEL complex genes all fall on that same allele yet a few from the group have Supers that look nothing like the BEL (ie Mystic/Phantom and even Mojave). So the YB and the Specter could be on the same allele and their supers could be different than each other when combined.

But then the whole not reproducing itself and no normals makes this a genetics nightmare....

Where are Lisa Staley or asplundii when you need them?

[Allysen]

Okay, apparently I have very weak google-fu. Does anybody have a picture of a specter/whirlwind they could post? I really want to see one now!