BAD GUY-Matt Oakley

[bloodpython171]

I already admitted many times that I didn't ship correctly. My problem is that a month after receiving the animal Trever posted this pic of the animal:



This snake looks great to me and everyone else who saw it. This pic extremely contradicts the condition the Trevor says the animal is/was in. He told me that the animals condition never improved so I would assume that this pic shows her condition when he got her which is why he said he planned on breeding her. I just don't believe from looking at the pic, seeing the thread he posted on it, all the great comments he got on the animal, and now he's saying that when he got it (2 months ago) she was sick as a dog, he took that pic (1 month ago), and now she's good as dead?? That makes NO since at all

[m00kfu]

You can diagnose an RI and mites from one picture? Amazing... Forget that mites are hard to see in person, but apparently we should see that, AND an RI from one overhead picture.

[bloodpython171]

Everytime I ship snakes I always call or email to confirm that the person will be there to receive the snake. Then I email everyone that day with the tracking numbers, the emails look like this:

Ed: 1Z 14W 562 01 9052 0730

Joe: 1Z 14W 562 01 9821 3432

John: 1Z 14W 562 01 9701 1643

Ben: 1Z 14W 562 01 9877 1651

Travis: 1Z 14W 562 01 9633 7464

Jeffrey: 1Z 14W 562 01 9707 3078

Ron: 1Z 14W 562 01 9472 5717

Caleb: 1Z 14W 562 01 9064 6328

Thanks everyone for being so patient with me since I was not able to ship last week. Work was hell and I didn't get a weekday off to ship due to being forced to cover a coworker's shift since her father passed away.

~Matt

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Richard: 1Z 14W 562 01 9915 8107

Jessica: 1Z 14W 562 01 9963 7090

Mike: 1Z 14W 562 01 9605 7883

Shelly: 1Z 14W 562 01 9466 0680

Darren: 1Z 14W 562 01 9442 1607

thanks again,

Matt Oakley

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Thank you everyone again! All packages went out today and here are your tracking numbers:

Allie: 1Z1 4W5 620 194 557 159

Syd: 1Z1 4W5 620 196 861 389

Daryl: 1Z1 4W5 620 196 470 597

Joseph: 1Z1 4W5 620 198 958 414

Mike: 1Z1 4W5 620 191 238 571

Griffin: 1Z1 4W5 620 193 055 194

Karla: 1Z1 4W5 620 195 643 652

[Strtaylor]

You know whats starting to annoy me is the fact that this trevor person whoever it may be has said 5-6 times that he is putting the snake down today. In like 6 posts over 3 days. Im impartial to this situation in everyway shipping was terrible agreed but everything so far that trevor has shown gives me no reason to say that he is telling the truth about any other matter. I dont agree with either one of them and this sounds like a big highschool fight to me whoever tells the teacher first wins. And trevor you told the teacher (forums, boi, etc..) first. People read your posts first and people automatically are against matt because of his poor shipping display. But everytime you post somethin you make me more and more sceptical about how much of the truth your actually telling. And stop saying your putting the snake down today every day for another week because its getting old really fast. Im sorry if your telling the truth and actually have to put the snake down but we have all heard it its not swaying anymore pull for you then it was before.
-Steven-

[Haydenphoto]

I agree with all of your points, but I don't think that box was in danger of getting crushed. Produce boxes are made incredibly strong, but that box was designed to ship bananas which is why it is so ventilated (he modified the top with a piece of cardboard and taped over the ventilation and handle holes). There's just no excuse to ship any animal inside a box like that, other than maybe this one.

OMG i love that pic

[Haydenphoto]

You know whats starting to annoy me is the fact that this trevor person whoever it may be has said 5-6 times that he is putting the snake down today. In like 6 posts over 3 days. Im impartial to this situation in everyway shipping was terrible agreed but everything so far that trevor has shown gives me no reason to say that he is telling the truth about any other matter. I dont agree with either one of them and this sounds like a big highschool fight to me whoever tells the teacher first wins. And trevor you told the teacher (forums, boi, etc..) first. People read your posts first and people automatically are against matt because of his poor shipping display. But everytime you post somethin you make me more and more sceptical about how much of the truth your actually telling. And stop saying your putting the snake down today every day for another week because its getting old really fast. Im sorry if your telling the truth and actually have to put the snake down but we have all heard it its not swaying anymore pull for you then it was before.
-Steven-

The way i see it he does not want to put her down ! But then again he does i see nothing wrong with him saying that its hard to put an animal down it took me 3 weeks to put my dog down ! It was a hard choice. It went through my head over and over again day after day ! So don't judge him for saying it over and over again its a hard decision to make !

[Lucas339]

I already admitted many times that I didn't ship correctly.

Which is probably why the snake came down with an illness. cold temps will stress the imune system. this could have been in the animals system and she was fine with it until her immune system got low enough for the virus/bacteria were able to take over. your fault.

This snake looks great to me and everyone else who saw it. This pic extremely contradicts the condition the Trevor says the animal is/was in. He told me that the animals condition never improved so I would assume that this pic shows her condition when he got her which is why he said he planned on breeding her.

of course he planned on breeding her. everyone gets excited about new breeders and he wanted to share. when taken care of right away, RI's don't really last that long.

I just don't believe from looking at the pic, seeing the thread he posted on it, all the great comments he got on the animal, and now he's saying that when he got it (2 months ago) she was sick as a dog, he took that pic (1 month ago), and now she's good as dead?? That makes NO since at all

of all the animals i have seen with RI's, only one looked different than when it did while healthy. the only change in that animal, was a swollen mouth.

[dgarrison123]

Hey my name was on that tracking list. I ordered 2 male pastels. Im not trying to step on anybodies toes here, but my to pastels I got about a month ago are in perfect health. I always as a preventive measure when I get a new BP i clean there new tub, then put in bedding, then spray PAM. One was normal pastel and the other was a great looking black back pastel. Both have been good eaters on f/t fuzzy mice. The communication was good(I still have all the emails) The shipping wasn't that great though. Both snakes in one bag. No styrofoam sheets for insulation. (but it was low 90s here in Oklahoma) My work is like 5 min. away from UPS, so I just call and ask them to hold my packages. When I first got the box I was worried because one of coners of the box was smashed. But there was lots of crumbled newspaper inside for packing. He also wrote fragile really big on the sides of the box.

I just thought I would share my experience I had with Matt Oakley. I still need to put up some pics of them(need to get a charger for my camera).

Thanks Daryl

[HerpKeeperVA]

The shipping wasn't that great though. Both snakes in one bag. No styrofoam sheets for insulation. (but it was low 90s here in Oklahoma) My work is like 5 min. away from UPS, so I just call and ask them to hold my packages. When I first got the box I was worried because one of coners of the box was smashed. But there was lots of crumbled newspaper inside for packing. He also wrote fragile really big on the sides of the box.

I'm glad your snakes arrived healthy, but the temperature that day is not an excuse to ship so poorly. I believe it's been stated already that boxes without insulation actually get hotter inside than those that have it. What if the entire box had been smashed? The outcome would not have been that great, I'll tell you that much. When my drawing tablet was sent to me through UPS, the box was marked fragile and it still showed up crushed, dirty and looking like a dog played with it. Sometimes "fragile" only means that if it doesn't sound broken, it's not.

I know shipping for these animals can get pricey, but cutting corners on packaging to save money is never a good idea. It seems that spending an extra $10 to buy proper packaging would have avoided this entire mess.

[bloodpython171]

Buying the snake back from Trevor has nothing to do with me standing behind the health of the animal and the fact that I won’t doesn’t prove that it isn’t healthy especially after 2 months of him owning it. I have no idea how an animal is kept after it leaves my care. I know for a fact a month ago (after owning the animal for a month) Trevor felt that this animal was well enough to breed next season (as he stated it on the internet). I also know that he fed this animal many times during the last 2 months and at least once a day before he told me he was going to have the animal euthanized (this was almost 2 weeks ago). Yes, one person can come up with one example where they say a sick snake fed until it dies, but this is not the norm at all. They even stated that this animal had an extremely strong feeding response. Just because someone has one animal out of the norm this doesn’t discredit my point.

Usually when herps are in the condition that Trevor has stated this animal was in when he received it, when he posted the thread on her, and now they do not feed and I’m sure you can read in many books where this is stated. If I sent you a snake that was “sick as a dog” and “covered with hundreds of mites” would anyone here keep it?? I know I wouldn’t. Why would you feed it if you really planned on having it euthanized the next day? Why would it feed if it was in a so horrible state that it needed to be euthanized to end it’s suffering? Herps feeding response is directly related to their overall health and wellbeing. We ALL know that “sick as a dog,” “half alive,” “mite infested,” snakes DO NOT FEED as if nothing is wrong. I know that when I asked Trevor what was wrong with the animal AFTER he said he took it to the vet he NEVER stated that it had RI or any type of bacterial infection. If this were true wouldn’t he have told me??? Now all of a sudden when this thread was posted he seems to have all the answers with what’s wrong with the animal?

I know that a month after owning the snake Trevor was happy enough with her to take pics to show everyone on this website and received many congrats on how nice the animal was. He was very active in responding and even jokingly said how the snake appreciated all the complements with smiley faces and everything. No one had anything negative to say about her and neither did Trevor. Someone even asked where you got the snake from but you ignored the question. I got the impression from his own thread on the animal that it was fine and no one looking at it can say otherwise. Now, two months later he emails me stating that she needs to be euthanized and wants a full refund. Something does NOT ADD UP! What would anyone expect me to think? And just from me owning the animal I don’t buy it.

A couple of months ago I sold a snake to Anthony McCain (a very well known breeder). Anthony made it very clear that this snake better be perfect, shipped correctly, correctly sexed, and exactly how I described it in my ad or I was getting it back and paying to have it shipped back. He got the snake and was happy with it. I’m sure that if he had any problems with our transaction on my part he would have lit me up.

I don’t believe for one second that Trevor received the snake how he stated and his post on the animal proves it. If the animal is in a position where it needs to be euthanized it happened in the TWO MONTHS that he’s owned it. Trevor told me that the snake’s condition never improved from the day he got it so I’d assume that the pic in the thread was an accurate depiction of the animal when he received it a month earlier. Everyone that saw her told you she looked great and even perfect from someone who know’s bloods. Would Trevor lead everyone to believe that this animal that he got was so great and accept all these complements if she really wasn’t? I don’t believe Trevor would have even posted the thread in the first place if everything he’s said about the animal was true.

The fact that Trevor lied and said the pic he took of the box was exactly how he received it proves to me that he’s willing to say what he needs to to look like a total victim in the situation even if it isn’t the truth. If I would have posted a pic and stated that I took it right before I shipped and someone pulled the properties of that pic and Trevor proved that I didn’t take that pic when I said I did everyone here would have taken it as if I were lying about everything that I’ve said and not accepted, “Oh, my camera was incorrect then, but it’s correct now” and blasted me for it. When I proved Trevor didn’t take that pic when he stated he did someone else came up with an excuse to explain why the info was incorrect .

Also, I don’t know when or where Trevor really opened the box but Trevor himself stated that he has snakes shipped to his girlfriend’s job and don’t get them until your lunch break and I guess you then take them home and open them. I don’t know of any breeder that guarantees even live arrival if unless you’re there to receive the package and open it immediately. Who knows how long the snake was in the box before you had a lunch break to come get it, take it home and open it?

If it is true that I shipped that snake the snake as the pic showed (the snake freely crawling around with a couple sheets of newspaper in the box) and the temps in cargo planes are sub freezing wouldn’t the snake and all the mites you say she had froze to death in the hours she was submitted to those conditions??

I have no idea how Trevor kept this snake for the 2 months he had it. It wasn’t in the condition where he felt it needed to be euthanized when he received it (or he would have told me this then), a month later when he posted the thread on her (or he would have told me then), and I don’t believe it is now as it still feeding up to a day before her supposedly euthanasia date and if it is it got that was from how it’s been kept after receiving it.