BAD GUY-Matt Oakley

[2kdime]

She is on Baytril now with no improvement. Either way, she's been through entirely too much. She will be getting put down tomorrow, I did all I could.

[blackcrystal22]

I saw one of his cages on his myspace page with duct-tape lining the inside.. that's enough to turn me away let alone his method of keeping and shipping of animals.
Also, a LOT of his cages had condensation on the sides and were noticeably wet or dirty. Just a side note.

[bloodpython171]

I saw one of his cages on his myspace page with duct-tape lining the inside.. that's enough to turn me away let alone his method of keeping and shipping of animals.
Also, a LOT of his cages had condensation on the sides and were noticeably wet or dirty. Just a side note.

That pic was taken years ago, I do not own them anymore

[Haydenphoto]

That pic was taken years ago, I do not own them anymore

Do you have proof you took the pic years ago ? I hope you see my point !

[kris62901]

a month is was to long of a wait to complain i agree there

[bloodpython171]

Do you have proof you took the pic years ago ? I hope you see my point !

No, as I can not get the properties of the pic from my myspace and the pic is so old that it's on none of my current USBs which means it was on the one that broke a while back and because of that I now save my pics on more than one USB. All of my snakes are now housed in racks and that's all I own. You're right, nothing can REALLY be proved unless you see it yourself, pictures can even be photo shopped and edited which is why I stay out of stuff like this (when i'm not involved) because you really don't know what happened unless you were there when it happened. That's what lawyers are for, to show who's the better talker and can get the most people to believe them and discredit any proof the opposition has. After all there are people on death row how didn't commit the crime they were convicted of...

I did not sent a half dead or half alive (however you'd like to work it snake)







This is the cage she was kept in before being moved to a rack

[MarkieJ]

Wow this truly has become a he said/(s)he said situation. No matter which side you believe, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. I want to thank both Trevor and Matthew for their contributions to this thread. I would like to someday get into selling reptiles, and I've learned a lot about the importance of documentation. I have also never ordered an animal through the internet, but would like to someday, and have also learned a lot about keeping records and pictures on the buyers end.


Mark

[matt71915]

Wow this truly has become a he said/(s)he said situation. No matter which side you believe, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. I want to thank both Trevor and Matthew for their contributions to this thread. I would like to someday get into selling reptiles, and I've learned a lot about the importance of documentation. I have also never ordered an animal through the internet, but would like to someday, and have also learned a lot about keeping records and pictures on the buyers end.


Mark

This is a very good example on why documenting a sale is so important.

[matt71915]

I've been watching this thread all day. You both have valid points and both have things that havent been really proven.
Matt claims the snake wasnt sick, but she was in a plane in most likely feezing temps. for who knows how long. That could explain the URI or LRI whichever it may be, its totally possible that the snake got sick from the plane ride.

Things still in question. The mites and that trevor showed off the snake as if nothing was wrong.

Its easy to be over dramatic and say there's 200-300 mites on the snake, Im not saying that its true or false that there were that many, just saying that he may be exaggerating the amount.

Where they came from. They may have been on the snake from the beginning and Matt shipped the snake anyway. Maybe it picked them up on the way. 200-300 is a bit much to pick up during an overnight trip but i would say it could be possible.

I do find it hard to believe that an experienced keeper, seller and someone who has mostly positive feedback of his sales, wouldn't put the snake in a snake bag, even though the method of packing was so poor.

This has become a big mess, i don't think everyone is being truthful with what they have said.

In the end it MIGHT be entirely Matt's fault that this all happened because of the poor packaging, if that's the case then he should make things right and refund the money.

Just my view on this situation

[Haydenphoto]

I've been watching this thread all day. You both have valid points and both have things that havent been really proven.
Matt claims the snake wasnt sick, but she was in a plane in most likely feezing temps. for who knows how long. That could explain the URI or LRI whichever it may be, its totally possible that the snake got sick from the plane ride.

Things still in question. The mites and that trevor showed off the snake as if nothing was wrong.

Its easy to be over dramatic and say there's 200-300 mites on the snake, Im not saying that its true or false that there were that many, just saying that he may be exaggerating the amount.

Where they came from. They may have been on the snake from the beginning and Matt shipped the snake anyway. Maybe it picked them up on the way. 200-300 is a bit much to pick up during an overnight trip but i would say it could be possible.

I do find it hard to believe that an experienced keeper, seller and someone who has mostly positive feedback of his sales, wouldn't put the snake in a snake bag, even though the method of packing was so poor.

This has become a big mess, i don't think everyone is being truthful with what they have said.

In the end it MIGHT be entirely Matt's fault that this all happened because of the poor packaging, if that's the case then he should make things right and refund the money.

Just my view on this situation

You might want to go check BOI this is not the first time with the banana boxes ! His rep has been in question a few times all you need to do is go look !