I got my two original males from a local breeder I found on the Kiji adds locally. My two starter females were purchased at the local Petco and each has had 3 litters so far with pretty good results. Averaging about 8-10 pups per litter. I kept two females of their original litter and they to have produced their first litters of 12 and 14 pups. The only thing to go bad so far was the mother of the 14 pup litter taking no interest in the pups and now there is only one left. The other mother with the 12 has been suckling it and it is doing well now.