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    Re: what kind of BP is this? I am so confused...

    Well, it has the neck spot that's stated to be a granite marker in the guide to the morphs.

    Granite is co-dom if it is genetic, so breeding him and getting some granite babies would prove it out. Breed him to a granite female, and see if you get super-granites.

    As for taking belly-shots of the snake, I've seen a LOT of belly-shots on the web, and I kind of wonder how exactly folks think those photos are taken. Hint--the snake does not voluntarily roll over onto its back. If it's an aggressive snake, you had better believe the person holding the head end isn't letting the snake chew on him while the photo is snapped.

    The momentary discomfort suffered by the snake while its belly photos were taken is not exactly a major event in its life. It's probably a great deal less stressful than a veterinary exam, or being moved to a new location. It's probably about as much of an issue as being probed for gender, something else people do that requires restraining the snake.

    Although the snake has its tongue hanging out, which makes it look like it's being strangled, it's probably just putting a lot of effort into pulling back to escape the restraint. Snakes hate being restrained. We do it sometimes anyhow--to examine them, to sex them, to administer meds, or...to take belly photos.

    Feeding the snakes on the floor is weird, but if the floor's 80 degrees, I don't see why that's a big issue. They should all be housed individually...if they are not, that's a different problem entirely, and people should be complaining about that, not about the fact he feeds them outside of their cage. Obviously they are eating, so he's not feeding them wrong.

    I have a nasty female ball python. If I have to do something with her, beyond moving her to clean her cage (I use a hook for that--and even that is a struggle, as I have to hang on to her tail to keep her from catapulting), you better BELIEVE I grab her behind the neck, and I make darned sure she can't bite me. I have no desire to be bitten by an adult ball python if I CAN avoid it. If I had to take belly photos, they'd probably look something like the OP's.
    This snake was handleable when she was stressed from shipping. As she settled in, she got worse and worse, (pulling tricks like lunging at your body while you held her in your hands) until now it isn't safe to free-handle her at all. The more comfortable she became, the worse her temperament got. She now eats frozen-thawed off the tongs without any issue at all. She just plain would rather bite you than let you touch her, regardless of how gentle you are about it.

    Yes, if you own snakes, you will be bitten. A bite from an adult ball python could cause serious injury if it nicked the wrong thing, or became infected. It is not bright to ALLOW one to bite you, if you can avoid it. It is not abuse to temporarily restrain an aggressive snake. Doing so does not injure the snake. Is it 'mean'? Well, handling your snakes at all is 'mean', they don't enjoy it and it's stressful for them, much as folks might like to think otherwise. It's a minor bit of 'mean' done for the snake's own good (the answer to the question the OP posted might positively affect its future), and for the owner's good (keeping them in captivity at all is PURELY for our good, not theirs).

    If you want to let your aggressive snakes bite you instead of restraining them...well, you go right ahead with that. But don't think it makes your handling methods superior--it seems rather foolhardy to me. Choosing between making the snake temporarily uncomfortable and allowing it to make me bleed? No-brainer there. Snake gets grabbed, and I remain unperforated. The snake will get over the indignity fairly quickly. I dare say, quicker than my wounds would have healed.
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