I completly agree with you also Matt, I know why people keep these things secret. Look at West Texas Herpering for example. I really didnt expect good results from this post. What I expected were a bunch of replies telling me to beat it, and that is exactly what I have got so far. This was just a last ditch effort before I break down and buy one. If it were me I would not tell just anyone either. Like I said I have been doning this a while I know the rules when I comes to Herping.