Venomoid animals

[Denial]

on venomoid inc they say that it doesnt hurt the snake. its done by proffesionals. and they replace implants so it looks normal. is thier exceptions ?

They have no idea how it feels to the snake. They say that to try to make sales. It doesnt matter if its done by a professional or a backyard hack and slash its wrong. They were put on earth with venom and thats how they should stay. If they didnt need venom to digest or kill prey they wouldnt of been born with it. God made them right the first time! If you cant handle the heat dont play with fire!

imo

[wilomn]

I think it shouldn't be allowed, and that's my input on it. It's part of the snake, so if you get a snake and you don't want that aswell then you shouldn't own a venomous.

They have no idea how it feels to the snake. They say that to try to make sales. It doesnt matter if its done by a professional or a backyard hack and slash its wrong. They were put on earth with venom and thats how they should stay. If they didnt need venom to digest or kill prey they wouldnt of been born with it. God made them right the first time! If you cant handle the heat dont play with fire!

imo

By this logic, especially since someone's god is now involved and we all know what it means to cross one of them, we should not be neutering or spaying our dog and cats. After all, they were born, er made, with those parts and we, heh heh heh, as mere mortals, should not be changing what, no, wait, can't do it....

You who profess belief are some of the biggest hypocrits to walk the earth.

When you favor something, it's ok to change anything, god given or not. When you don't favor it, it's a sin and just all around bad.

Pish and tosh I say.

Arguments based on this are invalid and are basically a waste of bandwidth.

[Denial]

Human beings as a whole are hypocrits regardless of what you believe in.

[Skiploder]

Some animals - various crotalids, king cobras, the king brown, etc. that manufacture substances in their venom that could have a protective role in their immune systems. Those enzymes may protect them from internal parasites and possibly pathogens.

As to the argument that venom plays no role in the digestion of prey items: that's based on an ASSumption - not any real scientific evidence. That ASSumption is a WAG - postulated because several species of venomous snakes will eat dead prey without it injecting it with venom.

....and venomoids should be fed f/t prey items. What a nasty shock for that poor captive venomoid rattler when that rat he bites doesn't die - how the heck is he going to eat it?

Which brings us back to the digestion question..........What IF enzymes in the venom are intended to assist the digestion system? Is it possibly that venomoids are at risk for complications due to their inability to utilize these enzymes?

[icygirl]

What the heck is the point if you can own a non-venomous instead, that never had venom glands to begin with?

[wilomn]

What the heck is the point if you can own a non-venomous instead, that never had venom glands to begin with?

There are some VERY cool hot snakes out there. Just because you have no interest does not invalidate that of others.

[icygirl]

There are some VERY cool hot snakes out there. Just because you have no interest does not invalidate that of others.

I didn't say that it's not valid to have an interest in hots. I recently saw some at a show, and they were some really unbelievable animals that can't compare to any other non-venomous. But there are so many hot-keepers out there who keep the venom intact. Even if I was in love with hots myself, if I'm not comfortable handling them, I'll leave it to the experts rather than forcing the snake through this procedure which may be harmful to it.

Comparing spay/neuter of mammals to removing venom glands is comparing apples and oranges. And for the record I don't support declawing cats or removing vocal cords of dogs.

[Neal]

Several snake species venom actually starts to digest once its injected. I'm not sure as to which species due to me not keeping venomous.

[FIEND_FO_LYFE]

Ok, let me ask one question...


why would you want a venomoid?

answer, so you feel safe knowing your animal you keep, MIGHT not have venom glands, thus making it publicy acceptable to the "non snake keepers".

SOLUTION, stop being a complete D-Bag, learn proper ways to deal with venomous, and educate yourself. DONT MODIFY THE ANIMAL TO KEEP IT!

yes i do see the point with cats and dogs getting fixxed.
BUT, that procidure, isnt changing the way of life for the animal.
they still can mate, just not produce.

i have no respect for a keeper, who has no clue how to deal with venomous.
so they have venomoids. im not arguing, just stating my opinion.
and it a subject ive read about quite a bit.

and still, NOONE has shown me anything good from this.
its like tattooing your fish...

you can do it..
to make it look pretty..


BUT IF U WANTED A PRETTY FISH GO BUY ONE. DONT CHANGE THIS ONE!

same with snakes.

[DutchHerp]

yes i do see the point with cats and dogs getting fixxed.
BUT, that procidure, isnt changing the way of life for the animal.
they still can mate, just not produce.

Not sure if this is true.

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to get it up if I got castrated.

Later, Matt