Some Woma's we produced

[jglass38]

Wow..Talk about confusing. Maybe it's time to rename the "Type II" morph? Even then, it likely wouldn't stop an unscrupulous breeder from selling them as "hidden gene". Welcome to the wonderful world of Ball Pythons where a lot isn't as it appears! Thanks to Matt and Sean for helping to clear this up! Beautiful animals Matt!

[Louis Kirkland]

"The original Type I animal you need to think of as a 2 banger. It has the Type I gene AND carried the "hidden" gene. Now, when Kevin bred his founder animal the "hidden" gene would have 1 in 2 odds of being passed on. Additionally the Type I gene had a 1 in 2 chance of being passed on. So the odds of getting another Type I that also carried the "hidden" gene are 1 in 4. The important message to take home here is that not all Type I animals bred from the founder will necessarily have the "hidden" gene. And, by extension, any Type I subsequently produced from those offspring will not necessarily carry the "hidden" gene."

The information that I have been given is that the Type 1 phenotype and the "hidden genne" are not produced separately. In other words, if you have the Type 1 phenotype, you have the "hidden gene".

[asplundii]

... So then there should also, theoretically, be some normal BPs out there with the silent "hidden" gene that was originally carried by the Type I double-carrier, correct?

Correct.

Does that gene still have the same effect by itself, or is the Type I gene also necessary for the neat combos such as the soul-sucker?

I am not sure I follow the first part of the question... But I will answer it the way I think you are asking it. The Type I gene causes a lot of interesting tricked out patterns when combined with other morphs. If you look at the NERD photo gallery, it was said that all the Woma combos on that page are Type I combos. The "hidden" gene however only really comes in to play when it combines with other alleles in the BluEL complex

Is the soul-sucker a triple-combo (Type I x hidden gene x lesser), or just a double (hidden gene x lesser)?

The SoulSucker is a triple combo of Type I/"hidden"/Lesser. It is easier for me to think of it as a Type I Platinum.

The information that I have been given is that the Type 1 phenotype and the "hidden genne" are not produced separately. In other words, if you have the Type 1 phenotype, you have the "hidden gene".

Per my conversations with Matt and with Kevin this is not the case.