ruppel pastel genetics

[ajakana]

I have a female ruppel pastel that's 740 grams and want to breed her when she gains more weight my question is if i bred her to a normal or a het pied what should i expect? i will post of pics of her soon any help and suggestions would be appreciated

[PythonWallace]

I have a female ruppel pastel that's 740 grams and want to breed her when she gains more weight my question is if i bred her to a normal or a het pied what should i expect? i will post of pics of her soon any help and suggestions would be appreciated

Ruppel pastels have the same genetics of all the other pastel lines. If you bred her to a normal you would get 50% pastels and 50% normals, respectively. If you bred her to a het pied you would get 50% pastels and 50% normals, respectively, and all of them wouyld have a 50% chance of also being a het pied.

I would not do either of those breedings. You always want the male to be the nicest/most expensive morph from the pairing, so if the female is a pastel, you want the male to be another co-dom, a homozygous recessive, or a combo. You have some time to get a male and raise him up to breeding weight, and I would get on it. The female Ruppel pastel likely cost 2x the price of a really nice male pastel, so there's no reason to breed her to a normal.

If you breed her to a male het pied, all the babies will have a 50% shot of being het for pied, but you will have to hold back all the females for at least 2-3 years to breed them all back to the male to prove them out. With the price of het pieds these days, that project isn't worth it when you can get a male spider for a not very much money, and make bumble bees with her the first year. Or you could get a male pastel and get super pastels, or a mojave and go for pastaves, etc., etc. Forget about breeding the normal male to anything, and get a nice co-dom or combo male.

[Hock3ymonk3y]

Ruppel pastels have the same genetics of all the other pastel lines. If you bred her to a normal you would get 50% pastels and 50% normals, respectively. If you bred her to a het pied you would get 50% pastels and 50% normals, respectively, and all of them wouyld have a 50% chance of also being a het pied.

I would not do either of those breedings. You always want the male to be the nicest/most expensive morph from the pairing, so if the female is a pastel, you want the male to be another co-dom, a homozygous recessive, or a combo. You have some time to get a male and raise him up to breeding weight, and I would get on it. The female Ruppel pastel likely cost 2x the price of a really nice male pastel, so there's no reason to breed her to a normal.

If you breed her to a male het pied, all the babies will have a 50% shot of being het for pied, but you will have to hold back all the females for at least 2-3 years to breed them all back to the male to prove them out. With the price of het pieds these days, that project isn't worth it when you can get a male spider for a not very much money, and make bumble bees with her the first year. Or you could get a male pastel and get super pastels, or a mojave and go for pastaves, etc., etc. Forget about breeding the normal male to anything, and get a nice co-dom or combo male.

Why do you want the male to always be the nicest?

[PythonWallace]

Why do you want the male to always be the nicest?

Basically, males are, in general, less expensive than females, so it's more affordable to get a nicer male. Also, a male can breed with multiple females and produce multiple clutches each year, while a female can only lay one clutch a year, if that. So you want your most expensive purchase to be the best male you can afford, then you can add normal females, or cheaper morph females along the way, and the male will be there for all of them.

If you had $1,600 and you wanted to start breeding to produce bees and killer bees, you could get a male bee for $900, and say 2 nice pastel females and 2 normal females. Come breeding time, you end up with 24 eggs, and you should average 4 killer bees, 4 bumble bees, 8 pastels, 4 spiders and 4 normals.

Instead, say you get a female bee for $1,000, you can only get one pastel male to breed with her, so you will only get one clutch of say 6 eggs. You'd save about $400 at first, but you'd be lucky to even hatch a single killer bee each year, where in the above case you can count on hatching several each year, from the same initial investment.

The more expensive the male, the better the outcome. If you had $10k, you can get a male champagne and 5 normal females, and you would likely hatch about 15 champagnes the first breeding year. For the same price, you can get a female champagne and a normal male, and maybe hatch 3-4. It just usually makes more sense to spend your initial money on the best male you can afford.