Caramel Female on Eggs??? Photo???

[royalpython]

Not sure if it helps, but my caramel female loves breeding, but she's not produced me a clutch yet

[astaley]

Ditto, We crossed a male ghost to female caramel this year. Can't tell if she took or not, but if she does have a clutch we'll post pics.

[MarkS]

Thanks for finding and posting this thread Eric. Sadly, I find find myself no more encouraged.

I realize this thread is not yet 12 hours old. However, if I would have requested a visual female photo on eggs from ANY other recessive that has been worked with for at least the last 5 years -- how many replies/pics would have been posted within the next 48 hours??? Makes me wonder?? Time will tell -- or not!!!

Sorry Bill, I really don't think so. Frankly I haven't seen any pics of g-stripes on eggs, super pastels on eggs, super Cinnamon/black pastels on eggs, Leucistics on eggs or a lot of other morphs that have been around for a while. (there may be some, I just haven't seen them) Frankly, I haven't even seen THAT many pics of albinos or axanthics on eggs either. I suspect that the lack of pics has less to do with the fertility of the animals in question, and more to do with the notion that by the time people with breedable size morph females get eggs out of them, the novelty of taking pics of every clutch has worn thin.

[Bill Buchman]

Sorry Bill, I really don't think so. Frankly I haven't seen any pics of g-stripes on eggs, super pastels on eggs, super Cinnamon/black pastels on eggs, Leucistics on eggs or a lot of other morphs that have been around for a while. (there may be some, I just haven't seen them) Frankly, I haven't even seen THAT many pics of albinos or axanthics on eggs either. I suspect that the lack of pics has less to do with the fertility of the animals in question, and more to do with the notion that by the time people with breedable size morph females get eggs out of them, the novelty of taking pics of every clutch has worn thin.

Mark, I respect your opinion and sure hope you are correct. I HOPE I am as WRONG AS WRONG CAN BE!!!!

[kc261]

Mark has a very good point. It made me curious, so I spent a little more time digging through Ralph Davis's clutch records. And I found pics of the following moms on their eggs: g-stripe, lavender albino, pied, albino, VPI axanthic, and even a platinum (yes, a real platty, not a lesser).

I also find it interesting that of the few people who have spoken up, and the one pic I was able to find searching bp.net, every clutch that has been reported has had at least as many slugs as eggs. And in case anybody hasn't seen it, this same question was raised on kingsnake, and the one reply there was 3 eggs, 3 slugs, no pic. So that leaves us with only the vague "I talked to Brian Sharp and he's had clutches from Caramel females" reported by Jon at Cold Blooded Addiction, and while I totally believe him, that still doesn't specify that they were good clutches that had more eggs than slugs.

I too hope that this is just a combination of some bad luck for those that have had bad or no clutches from their caramel females, and the fact that most breeding age caramel girls are in the hands of those who don't bother to take pics of every clutch. I hope, and tend to believe, that Jon meant Brian had had GOOD clutches from caramel females; I just wish his wording had been a little more specific.

If anyone cares, here are the links:

KS thread:
http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1705407,1705407

G-stripe
http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/co...tch_mom_40.jpg

Lavender Albino
http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/co...utch_mom_8.jpg

Pied
http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/co...tch_mom_61.jpg

Albino
http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/co...tch_mom_55.jpg

VPI Axanthic
http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/co...tch_mom_56.jpg

Platinum
http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/co...tch_mom_76.jpg

[Lucas339]

man this line just seems to keep throwing curve balls!!

[nelson77321]

I believe Brock Wagner bred champagne x Caramel female and she totally slugged out.

[SugarFox03]

Well shoot...looks like in couple years I'll be breeding my het caramel pair for pretty pets!

[astaley]

Well, here it is, our caramel girl produced a clutch yesterday, and yep, more slugs than eggs Nine total, 7 slugs and 2 eggs candled good. hopefully they will hatch.

[Lucas339]

sorry to hear that adam.