The market for new codoms....Up or Down? What your thoughts...

[paulaura]

Another thing to think about is how quickly a return can be had from co-doms.

If you purchase a male and put it to normals, you can get morphs out straight away.
If you get a recessive male, and then have to go the het route, can take years.(and youre still not guaranteed on the odds)

By the time you get visuals from this method, prices will indeed have dropped.
Yes co-doms will fall quicker, but you have a better chance of a return, much quicker.

Pieds have dropped alot in the last few years, and now seem to have stabilised for a while.

[Freakie_frog]

Another thing to think about is how quickly a return can be had from co-doms.

If you purchase a male and put it to normals, you can get morphs out straight away.
If you get a recessive male, and then have to go the het route, can take years.(and youre still not guaranteed on the odds)

By the time you get visuals from this method, prices will indeed have dropped.
Yes co-doms will fall quicker, but you have a better chance of a return, much quicker.

Pieds have dropped alot in the last few years, and now seem to have stabilised for a while.

The difference is that hets are still price higher than normals..So depending on the recessive you might be better making hets if you can sell them..

Take a clown for example (Now I'm not sure the current prices on het clown price so I'm going to guess.) if you bred a clown male to 4 normal females every baby's is a het with males being 200.00 (again guessing) and females are 500.00 plus or minus..So your odds aren't will I produce a higher priced animal its which sex will it be..

So all you'd have to do is produce and sell 4 female het and everything after that is profit..assuming you don't count feeders, and other stuff.

[tonkatoyman]

Another thing to think about is how quickly a return can be had from co-doms.

If you purchase a male and put it to normals, you can get morphs out straight away.
If you get a recessive male, and then have to go the het route, can take years.(and youre still not guaranteed on the odds)

By the time you get visuals from this method, prices will indeed have dropped.
Yes co-doms will fall quicker, but you have a better chance of a return, much quicker.

Pieds have dropped alot in the last few years, and now seem to have stabilised for a while.

You are absolutely correct. The results overall are about the same when you consider the time required to reproduce in any quantity. Codoms vs. Rec.

[tonkatoyman]

The difference is that hets are still price higher than normals..So depending on the recessive you might be better making hets if you can sell them..

Take a clown for example (Now I'm not sure the current prices on het clown price so I'm going to guess.) if you bred a clown male to 4 normal females every baby's is a het with males being 200.00 (again guessing) and females are 500.00 plus or minus..So your odds aren't will I produce a higher priced animal its which sex will it be..

Did I teach him well or what?

[250rider]

Being In Canada man, Prices are almost always more (by a fare bit most times, I might add) then in the states. god do I wish I could buy snakes from down there.

I'm curious, how much does a say a pastel or spider go for in canada? I am from canada myself but I live in the states now. And where is the market there? I've bought my snakes from classifieds and and reptile shows over here. It seems that anybody I know in canada that owns snakes or reptiles aren't really aware of there being any "morphs"

[West Coast Jungle]

Breed what you like and you will always be happy with what you produce.

The market is supply and demand. When the supply increases the demand and price will decrease.

The future is combos. The days of one co-dom to 10 normals doesnt make sense today like it did when a mojave(for example) was $4,000.

If you are in it strictly for investment reasons then you probably wont be very happy with the results. There are much safer ways to invest your $ that dont require cleaning poop and raising rodents.

[paulaura]

The difference is that hets are still price higher than normals..So depending on the recessive you might be better making hets if you can sell them..

Take a clown for example (Now I'm not sure the current prices on het clown price so I'm going to guess.) if you bred a clown male to 4 normal females every baby's is a het with males being 200.00 (again guessing) and females are 500.00 plus or minus..So your odds aren't will I produce a higher priced animal its which sex will it be..

So all you'd have to do is produce and sell 4 female het and everything after that is profit..assuming you don't count feeders, and other stuff.

Yes I totally agree with what you are saying, BUT, if you are not an established breeder, try selling het snakes for what they are worth.
It is not easy, as people will only have your word as to what the animal is.

Dont get me wrong I love recessives too, and we do alot with both codom and recessive. I just dont agree that the prices hold better long term for recessives,as it is such a time consuming process.

[Eyeball]

For the last time im not sayin that these codoms are common .im sayin that they are more common than say a black azanthic from vpi and they will reproduce faster as they hit the open marker with no control by the original breeder. so their prie will drop faster makin thm a more shaky project than the recessive. now that i got everyones tail feathers ruffeled, my true thoughts are breed what u love. i just think recessives are a stronger more long term project with l;asting and stable rewards.

[Blue Apple Herps]

The best part of co-dom market is that once they hit a certain point where they become reachable to the general public. I can remember seeing Lessers for 50K not so long ago..the difference is that the money that animal use to sell for..two years ago say 2500.00 you now have to sell 5 or 6 animals to turn the same money. Your ability to produce the morph hasn't gone down simply the simply the amount of animals you have to sale to turn the same profit..

I can turn 80,000.00 a year selling pastels.. how well at 150.00 they are currently the most affordable BP out side of of YB or normals.. It means I have to produce 88 clutches of eggs with 6 on agverage from a spuer pastel to normal breeding. So with breeding 100+/- animals I can turn 80,000.00 a year 89 normal females that produce and 17+/- Super pastels with a 6 egg average at a mere 150.00 an animal mean 80K a year in sales..

People get down on Co-doms cause they hear stories about people selling 10-15 animals for 20K each and they were bank..Those days are gone..Now is what will seperate the mice from the men..Or the business from the hobby.

Can you make good money breeding base co-doms? YES!!
Is it work??? YES!!!
Will you even be a millionaire?? depends...How bad do you want it??

Along those lines, as prices all, you have more potential customers. So while more are being produced, more people are able to buy.

I mean how many people can actually afford $25k on a single snake? Not many. But when it drops to $1000, more can afford it, and when its to $250 even more can afford it.

With codoms I think its a double edged sword, their prices will fall faster, because they're easier to produce, but because they get cheaper faster, you have more people willing to buy them.

[Eyeball]

big thumbs up to mathew....some one got it rite. thats the kind of response i was lookin for. good job!!!!!!!