The market for new codoms....Up or Down? What your thoughts...

[Eyeball]

Im not down playing codoms all im sayin is that some people are trin to sell a much more comon codom at the same pirce as a visual recessive. would you invest ure money in a more stable long term recessive or a codom which is actualy a visual HET. for example if u had the money for only one when they first came out would u have bought a pastel which is a visual het or would u have bought a pied which is a homozygos animal. You would have spent more money on the pied but u would have got a longer and much more stable return. That is the compairison im tring to convay. You dont have to agree with me but ive seen the economics of it work over the past 7 years. You will see a return much faster on a codom but it will also lose value much faster. I will never buy a new codom in its first three years because i know how quickly that decline will happen once it gets to the classifieds on kingsnake. This is a true example,you can research it because it is a fact, I watched adult pastels go from 3,000 dollars to 600 dollars in about 3 years, you dident see the pieds do that. The Albino was one of the first morphs produced in captivity,Bob Clark if im not mistaken back in the mid 90s and that animal will still be sellin for about 500 bucks retail this season, pieds will still be bringin 1200 bucks this season ....what are pastels sellin for ....oh thats rite bout a 100 bucks this season supers about 350,recessives are sold investments with 15 years of economics to prove it. I just dont think the current market supports new codoms being introduced at prices that are the same as the new and much rarer and much harder to make recssives. the only thing that makes them sell is the illusion of big money quick, im sorry to say for most that doesent happen. Take that same money and buy a pair of pieds and those babies will sell. Recessives will never loose their appel to the savy investor with a little more money to spend

[Eyeball]

hey bro move to the states i could use a wise investor and a solid partner...wait a minute dident i can my last partner because im to much of a controll freak....LOL. weve always got room in the south for another good ball breeder.......

[stefanivanski]

True, man moving to the states would be good in this view, But what I like is getting into this market in Canada is dif. B/C not as many people up here seem to breed, but we do have one of the best breeders none from what I can tell. Markus Jayne. B/C of this the prices for good morphs here seem to stay high, plus it costs so much to ship from the states that they can keep em that way. lol but thnx for the invite

[Eyeball]

Your most welcome for the invite. i live one county over from what i consider to be one of the best up and coming breeders in the past 5 years. im not goin to say his name cause he is well known is the bp.net forums and he probly dont want to be drug into this thread. Its good to have such people as close friends not only on a buissiness level but on a personal level as well this person has truly ben a blessing to work with and share our thoughts on the industry husbantry and such. I even had the honor of caring for his AWSOME colection for about ten days while he was on vacation...wow what a rush.........................

[m00kfu]

You DO realize that the co-dom morphs you were using as an example (paintball and black head) are NOT common, right? The reason the price is so high on those is because there's very few if any breeders working with them yet beyond the original ones who discovered it. It's all about supply and demand.

[wolfy-hound]

I don't think there are "common" co-doms that cost more than "rare" recessives.

The phantam has been pretty tightly controlled by RDR, and few released. He has set his price to a high spot(which is what RDR does, which is a good thing), mainly because he produced that morph, and put his time into the project to prove it out. Using it as your example "common" co-dom is false.

Most of the co-doms that have been available generally do cost less than a recessive that has been available the same amount of time. Albinos and pieds have been around quite some time, and there's a lot of het/homo animals out there available. You would need to compare THEIR prices to co-doms which have been widely available the same approximate amount of time.

The more rare, or new a morph, the higher the price they can command. When only a couple breeders have that morph, they can control how many are available for sale, and keep the price high for a number of years.

[Python Dreams]

I think your pretty set in your beliefs even as far as to downplay what Super Pastels are worth as opposed to Albinos or Pieds... I dont know if you noticed the rapid decline in recessive prices over the last few years or maybe you were just focusing on co-doms losing there value? How are Het prices these days?
Eitherway, your theory seems a bit flawed to me... As long as your happy that you have invested in recessives, that is all that matters.

[Emilio]

Breed what you really like and hope to break even prices are going to drop even faster in this economy. Every mutation will be a lot cheaper, I guess I'll repeat what some have said, now we'll see who really loves ball pythons .

[tonkatoyman]

You DO realize that the co-dom morphs you were using as an example (paintball and black head) are NOT common, right? The reason the price is so high on those is because there's very few if any breeders working with them yet beyond the original ones who discovered it. It's all about supply and demand.

Mookfu is right it is not just the ease at which an animal breeds it is also its rarity vs. demand. However this also explains the price drop in codoms. They dro[p more rapidly because it is easier to reproduce them. Therefor supply goes up faster and price drops faster. This is basic economics 101 at its best

[Freakie_frog]

The best part of co-dom market is that once they hit a certain point where they become reachable to the general public. I can remember seeing Lessers for 50K not so long ago..the difference is that the money that animal use to sell for..two years ago say 2500.00 you now have to sell 5 or 6 animals to turn the same money. Your ability to produce the morph hasn't gone down simply the simply the amount of animals you have to sale to turn the same profit..

I can turn 80,000.00 a year selling pastels.. how well at 150.00 they are currently the most affordable BP out side of of YB or normals.. It means I have to produce 88 clutches of eggs with 6 on agverage from a spuer pastel to normal breeding. So with breeding 100+/- animals I can turn 80,000.00 a year 89 normal females that produce and 17+/- Super pastels with a 6 egg average at a mere 150.00 an animal mean 80K a year in sales..

People get down on Co-doms cause they hear stories about people selling 10-15 animals for 20K each and they were bank..Those days are gone..Now is what will seperate the mice from the men..Or the business from the hobby.

Can you make good money breeding base co-doms? YES!!
Is it work??? YES!!!
Will you even be a millionaire?? depends...How bad do you want it??