Provent-A-Mite

[MarkS]

Actually it seems you take this too personal. When I join a PAM thread I always see you jump all over the peole, I even mentioned to my girlfriend I shouldnt join thse threads because peole like you jump all over people who dont swear by PAM, Ironically I personally named you as the one that would attack me, because I've seen it in many others threads. And you read that post wrong. I pm'd him with the instructions how to use it. I was telling him he needs to read the instructions off a can of PAM.

I do have to say this, just because somebody doesnt recommend the same things as you do, theres no reason to attack people. I was allready told in this thread I was stupid (I'm not 12 and I'm more mature then to waste my time replying to that person), your opinions mean a lot (Yes Robin that includes you, I've always respected all of the oeoples opinions on this board).
But sometimes, somebody isnt going to share your opinions, you should respect that.

I'm terribly sorry, this is all my fault I'm afraid. What I should have said (and actually meant to say) was to read the list of ingredients, not the directions. I think you'll find that it's very similar. My apologies for causing any confusion. Chalk it up to yet another senior moment.

Mark

[JeffJ]

I just explained it in the post that you quoted, First paragraph, last sentence.

ummm ok? then you need to word it correctly. for example "Just like on repel you must read the instruction on pam." what did you expect people like my self to get from your paragraph when you word it like that and u quote mark's suggestion of rapel?

The instructions for PAM are the same. wut? for rapel? since when is rapel recommended for veterinary use. or wait does pam go on my clothing? see the confusion.

its like saying me "hey i drive a Honda, Read the manual"

and then you say "yah jeff, Ford's manual is the same."

not very clear

and then you complain about her ragging on you in this thread, which i dont even think she was doing. it was a pretty straigh forwards non condescending comment in regards to what she gathered from your post given the crappy context you put it in.

Nowhere on my can of PAM are there instructions for applying to clothing, nets and tents?

how is that taking things to personal. i mean if she has done it some where els in this thread then atleas quote the right comment so i can understand what your trying ot talk about at this point because so far its not working out lol

The instructions for PAM are the same. Thanks Mark, I use the same thing, but from Wal Mart, different brand. In Fact there 17 Brands all from the same manufacturer.

[JeffJ]

I'm terribly sorry, this is all my fault I'm afraid. What I should have said (and actually meant to say) was to read the list of ingredients, not the directions. I think you'll find that it's very similar. My apologies for causing any confusion. Chalk it up to yet another senior moment.

Mark

nah there is no confusion until some one stated the instructions for pam were the same lol

is the active ingredient in rapel the same? if so this could be interesting to try if there are no other toxins in it that can be harmful after the fact.

[AaronP]

Why did the EPA make it illegal in only New York? It isn't illegal here in GA. Fortunately I've only had to use it once (yeah it's that darn good). I know an old school recipe that I was told to use on my mite problem. I "attempted" it but I was a idiot and bought the wrong supplies. I'll look up what the ingredients were and post them here.

[XGetSome]

I clarified it, drag the previous comment through the mud after its been clarified. Have fun, I dont play in the mud anymore. Go on and talk about your Honda and Fords, I dont drive either I have a Toyota, and a Chevy.

I have read Posts that are years old, and time and time again, people who have used anything other then PAM or sworn to be witches. The same people time and time again come in and condemn them.

Off Topic, EPA doesnt approve PAM in New York, what do you recomend to the people in New York who want to buy PAM? Well, Many people have posted a product (in this thread even) that can be found in New York, and Ive personally used it for many years.

My Career is a Shift Supervisor in a chemical plant, I deal with Hundreds yes literally Hundreds of MSDS's. I have dealt with EPA on numerous occasions. I am on a Fire Brigade, and Hazmat rescue team. I deal with Hundreds of Thousands of gallons of Hazardous Chemicals(Yes Hundreds of thousands).

Dont attempt to treat me as uneducated. I will tell you my fingers type faster then my head sometimes. I have many many friends in the Local Herp Society that use Equate not PAM, I have dealt with reptiles for 25+ years, probably 30 years.

I have been using Equate BEFORE PAM was marketed.

Coulston Products registered its product (PAM) with EPA in 1989 for a pesticide, then in 2001 PAM was marketed and they use Coulstons product



Registered Uses in the U.S. for Cic residual pressurized insecticide no. v
Uses
Insecticide , Miticide

Pests
Pillbugs , Sowbugs , Centipedes , Millipedes , Scorpions , Spiders , Mites , Ticks , Grain mite , Red spider mites , Spider mites , Clover mite , Lice , Lice (eggs) , Leafminers , Bloodsucking lice , Poultry lice , Fleas , Thrips , Firebrat , Silverfish , Sawtoothed grain beetle , Granary weevil , Rice weevil , Carpet beetle , Japanese beetle , Red flour beetle , Confused flour beetle , Gnats , Blow flies , Mosquitoes , Horn fly , Face fly , House fly , Stable fly , Horse flies , Deer flies , Bed bug , Lace bugs , Whiteflies , Aphids , Bees , Wasps , Ants , Pavement ant , Hornets , Small flying moths , Angoumois grain moth , Armyworm , Indian meal moth , Clothes moths , Cockroaches , Palmettobugs , Waterbugs , Crickets

Crops and Locations
Ornamental flowering plants (foliar treatment) , African violets (foliar treatment) , Aster (foliar treatment) , Begonia (foliar treatment) , Carnation (foliar treatment) , Chrysanthemum (foliar treatment) , Dahlias (foliar treatment) , Fuchsia (foliar treatment) , Geranium (foliar treatment) , Delphinium (foliar treatment) , Marigold (foliar treatment) , Rubber plant (foliar treatment) , Snapdragon (foliar treatment) , Stocks (foliar treatment) , Zinnia (foliar treatment) , Crassula (foliar treatment) , Kentia palms (foliar treatment) , Wandering jew (foliar treatment) , Azalea (foliar treatment) , Camellia (foliar treatment) , English ivy (foliar treatment) , Euonymus (foliar treatment) , Rhododendron (foliar treatment) , Roses (foliar treatment) , Grapevines (ornamental) (foliar treatment) , Laurel (foliar treatment) , Dogwood (foliar treatment) , Dairy cattle (animal treatment) , Goats (animal treatment) , Sheep (animal treatment) , Beef cattle (animal treatment) , Hogs (animal treatment) , Pet kennels (enclosed premise treatment) , Animal quarters (enclosed premise treatment) , Pet bedding , Pet sleeping quarters , Dogs (animal treatment) , Poultry (animal treatment) , Poultry cages (enclosed premise treatment) , Poultry houses (enclosed premise treatment) , Poultry roosts (enclosed premise treatment) , Poultry nests , Horses (animal treatment) , Milk room premises , Domestic dwellings (indoor) , Clothes storage , Rugs/carpets , Food processing plants (indoor inedible) , Eating establishments (indoor inedible) , Food marketing/storage/distribution facilities (indoor inedible) , Commercial/institutional/industrial buildings (indoor inedible) , Human bedding , Mattresses , Clothes

Equate has the same LISTED ingredients. The same amount of active ingredients.

So I still use Equate, The EPA claims are all the same, except PAM is registered for use with reptiles. The chemicals are the same, ive read the manufacturers claims they are different.....and you know, they may be? But Ive been using Equate a decade before PAM was ever produced, I've seen no ill effects of the product. I made a mistake last year of buying 30 ball pythons all within a few months time, and the later snakes had mites, I had an outbreak.......Equate bedding spray solved my problem. PAM would have been 100% equally effective. They both work.

Its fine to recommend a product you believe in. Any post Ive read on a believer of anything but PAM results in comments like "theres no cure for stupidity....you can lead a horse to water" comments that was left for me earlier in this thread......well I was using this product BEFORE PAM was invented, its worked for 15 years for me...why should I switch?
If I was 100% set on prouct, and an adult. I would recommend my product and run along, I wouldnt call names, throw insults, and pretend I am on a high horse because 90% of rest of the people on this thread agree.

ummm ok? then you need to word it correctly. for example "Just like on repel you must read the instruction on pam." what did you expect people like my self to get from your paragraph when you word it like that and u quote mark's suggestion of rapel?

The instructions for PAM are the same. wut? for rapel? since when is rapel recommended for veterinary use. or wait does pam go on my clothing? see the confusion.

its like saying me "hey i drive a Honda, Read the manual"

and then you say "yah jeff, Ford's manual is the same."

not very clear

and then you complain about her ragging on you in this thread, which i dont even think she was doing. it was a pretty straigh forwards non condescending comment in regards to what she gathered from your post given the crappy context you put it in.




how is that taking things to personal. i mean if she has done it some where els in this thread then atleas quote the right comment so i can understand what your trying ot talk about at this point because so far its not working out lol

[AaronP]

nah there is no confusion until some one stated the instructions for pam were the same lol

is the active ingredient in rapel the same? if so this could be interesting to try if there are no other toxins in it that can be harmful after the fact.

The major ingredient in Prevent-A-Mite is permethrin, I'm trying to confirm the home-made solution's ingredients, it's extremely simple only 2 drops of permethrin and water but I'm confirming what the Permethrin comes from.

If permethrin is illegal in NY then you're out of luck for my solution.

[rabernet]

Actually it seems you take this too personal. When I join a PAM thread I always see you jump all over the peole, I even mentioned to my girlfriend I shouldnt join thse threads because peole like you jump all over people who dont swear by PAM, Ironically I personally named you as the one that would attack me, because I've seen it in many others threads. And you read that post wrong. I pm'd him with the instructions how to use it. I was telling him he needs to read the instructions off a can of PAM.

I do have to say this, just because somebody doesnt recommend the same things as you do, theres no reason to attack people. I was allready told in this thread I was stupid (I'm not 12 and I'm more mature then to waste my time replying to that person), your opinions mean a lot (Yes Robin that includes you, I've always respected all of the oeoples opinions on this board).
But sometimes, somebody isnt going to share your opinions, you should respect that.

I'm not sure how you perceived that as an attack? My apologies if you took it that way.

[XGetSome]

I'm not sure how you perceived that as an attack? My apologies if you took it that way.

Actually my apologies to you, Ive just come to learn that If I wanna join a thread debating PAM, I need to be defensive. Ive read posts similar to this fot years....and the non believers get ttacked to the threads dead....
Knowing this, I probably shouldnt have joined this thread .

I re read my statement, and it wasnt clear so your post wasnt out of order. However mine was. My applogies.

[JeffJ]

I clarified it, drag the previous comment through the mud after its been clarified. Have fun, I dont play in the mud anymore. Go on and talk about your Honda and Fords, I dont drive either I have a Toyota, and a Chevy.

I have read Posts that are years old, and time and time again, people who have used anything other then PAM or sworn to be witches. The same people time and time again come in and condemn them.

right you don't play in the mud, but yet you admit to throwing rabernets commits from past threads in her face now for no real reason. why would u bother. especially since the lil dig you took at her the point you were trying to make made no sense because she wasn't even making it personal in this thread. your all over the place man. hence why i said atleast quote her comment that inspired you to go off on your spiel which made no apparent sense to me at the given time.

this isn't really an issue, i mean we are all good people here entitled to our own opinions, except it irritates me that you have the audacity to call some one out in a demeaning post about "people like her" that isn't even "taking things personal" mean while your inability to put things in a well constructed context is what caused the confusion in the first place. Yes you clarified it now, but after you felt the need to complain about rabernets comment, which was based upon your now "clarified" comment.

so in an essence, her comment which was inspired by you unclear post, made you feel the need to dig up past issues you have had with her and throw them in her face, talk a lil demeaning. classify her as some sort of PAM warrior which i dunno she may be but it wasn't in this thread. Which in turn irritated me, so you "clarified" to try and make it look like her comment was not called for... (still dont really know why you may feel this way seriously) then when i pointed out the fact that you comments in THIS thread towards her approach to the issue were uncalled for and really were un needed towards her since the issue u have with her opinions pertains to other threads. you call it childish (playing in the mud) which is really all your doing... wouldn't an adult just leave things in the past? i talk to people on here daily that i have disagreed with. so, where shall we take this form here?

So, why dont we try to stop the bats from crudding up the future shall we?

[Freakie_frog]

I think that the best thing is that everyone use what they are comfortable using to treat mites. If you feel comfortable using equate fantastic, if you like PAM or BK good on ya. Everybody finds different things that works differently for them. I can't speak with any authority on how well Equate works versus Pam because I have not had to deal with enough mites to be able to give a first had experience on the matter.

Xgetsome, thank you for your first hand knowledge of how well equate works versus PAM. I'm glad that someone who has had to treat enough snakes for mites on more than one or two times was able to say with such certainty that it works the same.. that's great it means I may have a substitute in a pinch.. again thank you.