I clarified it, drag the previous comment through the mud after its been clarified. Have fun, I dont play in the mud anymore. Go on and talk about your Honda and Fords, I dont drive either I have a Toyota, and a Chevy.

I have read Posts that are years old, and time and time again, people who have used anything other then PAM or sworn to be witches. The same people time and time again come in and condemn them.

Off Topic, EPA doesnt approve PAM in New York, what do you recomend to the people in New York who want to buy PAM? Well, Many people have posted a product (in this thread even) that can be found in New York, and Ive personally used it for many years.

My Career is a Shift Supervisor in a chemical plant, I deal with Hundreds yes literally Hundreds of MSDS's. I have dealt with EPA on numerous occasions. I am on a Fire Brigade, and Hazmat rescue team. I deal with Hundreds of Thousands of gallons of Hazardous Chemicals(Yes Hundreds of thousands).

Dont attempt to treat me as uneducated. I will tell you my fingers type faster then my head sometimes. I have many many friends in the Local Herp Society that use Equate not PAM, I have dealt with reptiles for 25+ years, probably 30 years.

I have been using Equate BEFORE PAM was marketed.

Coulston Products registered its product (PAM) with EPA in 1989 for a pesticide, then in 2001 PAM was marketed and they use Coulstons product



Registered Uses in the U.S. for Cic residual pressurized insecticide no. v
Uses
Insecticide , Miticide

Pests
Pillbugs , Sowbugs , Centipedes , Millipedes , Scorpions , Spiders , Mites , Ticks , Grain mite , Red spider mites , Spider mites , Clover mite , Lice , Lice (eggs) , Leafminers , Bloodsucking lice , Poultry lice , Fleas , Thrips , Firebrat , Silverfish , Sawtoothed grain beetle , Granary weevil , Rice weevil , Carpet beetle , Japanese beetle , Red flour beetle , Confused flour beetle , Gnats , Blow flies , Mosquitoes , Horn fly , Face fly , House fly , Stable fly , Horse flies , Deer flies , Bed bug , Lace bugs , Whiteflies , Aphids , Bees , Wasps , Ants , Pavement ant , Hornets , Small flying moths , Angoumois grain moth , Armyworm , Indian meal moth , Clothes moths , Cockroaches , Palmettobugs , Waterbugs , Crickets

Crops and Locations
Ornamental flowering plants (foliar treatment) , African violets (foliar treatment) , Aster (foliar treatment) , Begonia (foliar treatment) , Carnation (foliar treatment) , Chrysanthemum (foliar treatment) , Dahlias (foliar treatment) , Fuchsia (foliar treatment) , Geranium (foliar treatment) , Delphinium (foliar treatment) , Marigold (foliar treatment) , Rubber plant (foliar treatment) , Snapdragon (foliar treatment) , Stocks (foliar treatment) , Zinnia (foliar treatment) , Crassula (foliar treatment) , Kentia palms (foliar treatment) , Wandering jew (foliar treatment) , Azalea (foliar treatment) , Camellia (foliar treatment) , English ivy (foliar treatment) , Euonymus (foliar treatment) , Rhododendron (foliar treatment) , Roses (foliar treatment) , Grapevines (ornamental) (foliar treatment) , Laurel (foliar treatment) , Dogwood (foliar treatment) , Dairy cattle (animal treatment) , Goats (animal treatment) , Sheep (animal treatment) , Beef cattle (animal treatment) , Hogs (animal treatment) , Pet kennels (enclosed premise treatment) , Animal quarters (enclosed premise treatment) , Pet bedding , Pet sleeping quarters , Dogs (animal treatment) , Poultry (animal treatment) , Poultry cages (enclosed premise treatment) , Poultry houses (enclosed premise treatment) , Poultry roosts (enclosed premise treatment) , Poultry nests , Horses (animal treatment) , Milk room premises , Domestic dwellings (indoor) , Clothes storage , Rugs/carpets , Food processing plants (indoor inedible) , Eating establishments (indoor inedible) , Food marketing/storage/distribution facilities (indoor inedible) , Commercial/institutional/industrial buildings (indoor inedible) , Human bedding , Mattresses , Clothes

Equate has the same LISTED ingredients. The same amount of active ingredients.

So I still use Equate, The EPA claims are all the same, except PAM is registered for use with reptiles. The chemicals are the same, ive read the manufacturers claims they are different.....and you know, they may be? But Ive been using Equate a decade before PAM was ever produced, I've seen no ill effects of the product. I made a mistake last year of buying 30 ball pythons all within a few months time, and the later snakes had mites, I had an outbreak.......Equate bedding spray solved my problem. PAM would have been 100% equally effective. They both work.

Its fine to recommend a product you believe in. Any post Ive read on a believer of anything but PAM results in comments like "theres no cure for stupidity....you can lead a horse to water" comments that was left for me earlier in this thread......well I was using this product BEFORE PAM was invented, its worked for 15 years for me...why should I switch?
If I was 100% set on prouct, and an adult. I would recommend my product and run along, I wouldnt call names, throw insults, and pretend I am on a high horse because 90% of rest of the people on this thread agree.

Quote Originally Posted by JeffJ View Post
ummm ok? then you need to word it correctly. for example "Just like on repel you must read the instruction on pam." what did you expect people like my self to get from your paragraph when you word it like that and u quote mark's suggestion of rapel?

The instructions for PAM are the same. wut? for rapel? since when is rapel recommended for veterinary use. or wait does pam go on my clothing? see the confusion.

its like saying me "hey i drive a Honda, Read the manual"

and then you say "yah jeff, Ford's manual is the same."

not very clear

and then you complain about her ragging on you in this thread, which i dont even think she was doing. it was a pretty straigh forwards non condescending comment in regards to what she gathered from your post given the crappy context you put it in.




how is that taking things to personal. i mean if she has done it some where els in this thread then atleas quote the right comment so i can understand what your trying ot talk about at this point because so far its not working out lol