Most doctile snakes? I think not.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

guys whether or not snakes thrive in smaller spaces, you simply cannot deny that if you use a large enclosure RIGHT, as in providing what the snake needs, just on a larger scale, and more of it, there is NO reason a larger that necessary cage won't work. Africa is just a really really large enclosure, full of small dark places to hide. It doesn't hurt them to have extra space, even if they won't use it most of the time. If a person prefers to house a snake in a larger-than-is-absolutely-neccesary-for-survival enclosure, and is still able to provide the snake everything it needs... really, what is the harm in that?! I am not saying snakes WANT more space, but there is no harm in providing it for them if it's used right. (Please don't get mad at me, I am just tired of seeing so many people brought down for wanting to keep their snakes in large roomy enclosures with a bit of freedom to do as they please, if they wish.) I understand that some people feel insulted when told that a rack system is not enough space, and feel the need to defend themselves with the reasoning that the snakes thrive, but still, if a person wants to provide their snake with a mini africa and has the means to do it without harming or freaking out the snake, let them! I already do it with several of my snakes, (who else puts a garter in a 75 gallon?!) and once we move I can assure you I will do it with more of them!

[Buttons]

guys whether or not snakes thrive in smaller spaces, you simply cannot deny that if you use a large enclosure RIGHT, as in providing what the snake needs, just on a larger scale, and more of it, there is NO reason a larger that necessary cage won't work. Africa is just a really really large enclosure, full of small dark places to hide. It doesn't hurt them to have extra space, even if they won't use it most of the time. If a person prefers to house a snake in a larger-than-is-absolutely-neccesary-for-survival enclosure, and is still able to provide the snake everything it needs... really, what is the harm in that?! I am not saying snakes WANT more space, but there is no harm in providing it for them if it's used right. (Please don't get mad at me, I am just tired of seeing so many people brought down for wanting to keep their snakes in large roomy enclosures with a bit of freedom to do as they please, if they wish.) I understand that some people feel insulted when told that a rack system is not enough space, and feel the need to defend themselves with the reasoning that the snakes thrive, but still, if a person wants to provide their snake with a mini africa and has the means to do it without harming or freaking out the snake, let them! I already do it with several of my snakes, (who else puts a garter in a 75 gallon?!) and once we move I can assure you I will do it with more of them!

No one "brought down" anyone in this thread at all. They just explained that his problems with his snake could be due to the size of his enclosure.

[Kaorte]

Okay, the issue in this thread is that your snake is aggressive. If you want to tame your baby snake, move it to a ten gallon. You might think they need to stretch out and climb around but trust me they don't. A bit of cruising in the night is fine but they don't need a lot of space for that. If you are concerned about exercise, think about how much exercise they get just from eating their food. Constricting that is like a total body workout for them.

The 110g is way to big. Period. If you want to keep it, get a snake that will be able to live in that sized tank healthily. From the sounds of your setup and the few pictures you have provided, a ball python will not thrive (or be docile for that matter) in that enclosure. It just won't happen.

Ball pythons (whether yours "likes to climb" or not) are GROUND dwelling snakes. They spend all of their time on the ground or underground. So putting them in this huge 2ft tall tank is really overkill. You still need to heat and cool that unused space accordingly and that takes a lot of stuff. Probably the only way to do it would be with lamps and those would KILL your humidity (which is also required for a ball python to survive).


As for your hides, think smaller. The smaller the better. I offer hides that my BPs don't fit in. They just curl up under them and basically wear them as hats. I can tell that they are content because they are not scared when I hold them and they have a very strong feeding response. Ditch the half logs.


If you want your baby to grow into a nice docile snake, get it out of the 110g and never put it back in there. The max (and this is only for a HUUUGE female) would be a 30g long. Or if you want to go the tub route, a 42qt tub. Once you move your snake to a smaller enclosure and fix your husbandry, give it a week of alone time. Don't handle him, feed him, and mess with his enclosure the least amount possible. After that, he should be much more content with his surroundings.

We are not trying to chew you out, you asked for help, and we provide Take the information given to you and apply it and you will see the results. We aren't making this stuff up. We do it because it works and it shows great results.

[Kesslers Kreatures]

Hey dude... i think that you and I are on the same thought waves..... I have my baby in a 55 gallon tank..... I had it in the 10 gallon tank (like the caresheets say) and he had no room to roam once it became night time.... I felt so bad to have him cramped up in that little tank... Now he is in the 55 gallon and loves having the room to move about at night. And I am more compfortable that he is growing and building muscles from actually being able to move around. My boyfriend has a three yr old female that does not move around very much (went by the care sheets) and her muscles are actually pretty weak from never working or building them.

Thats exactly what im thinkin, they like to roam at night and i don't wanna hold him down, i mean he's already in captivity how much worse can it get? hahaha

Both of you guys really need to put your desires aside and think about the animal. They prefer the dark tiny spaces rather than the wide open spaces. Many ball pythons will roam their enclosure because they are stressed out. They are trying to find a comfy tight dark space where they can slither into. I really don't think it's wise of you guys who are just starting in the world of ball python keeping to think your doing the right thing for the animal. You have a ton of people here telling you that the way you are doing it is not the right way, all of the people telling you keep many snakes, they also have bred them and have very healthy animals. You guys really need to rethink the way your keeping your BP. It shouldn't matter how it looks to you, The snakes health is more important than your own desires. I started out like you guys, I had my first snake in a big tank and it didn't work out, with the help of all these people here I was able to get my stuff together and now I have more than a couple snakes ans they are all healthy.

[Beardedragon]

Then idk what a BP would do with all that space in Africa.

Go to the big open africa and try to find a tame Ball

[Kesslers Kreatures]

Go to the big open africa and try to find a tame Ball

[wuldier]

110g is a bit too big for a ball python. Most people will recommend a 20-30g at most.

no enclosure is to big! none at all.. being able to provide it with as near to its natural enviroment as possible is fantastic! but you must make sure it has adequate hiding spots.

people that say something is to big for a snake just annoys me, its ignorant and selfish!

if i could afford a 110 gal setup, i would do it providing i could keep the entire thing heated and at the right humidity all the time.

before my Boa was even 4ft long i had him in a 8ft by 4.5ft by 4ft custom tank set up and he loved it! of course he got HUGE! and needed it regardless but it took a while!

[wuldier]

Even full grown BPs don't need 110g. Read up on the caresheets on here.

you dont "Need" half or MOST the stuff you have in life... dont mean to say that someone should stop you having it!

especially being locked up after being taken from your natural habitat.

[harm286]

guys whether or not snakes thrive in smaller spaces, you simply cannot deny that if you use a large enclosure right, as in providing what the snake needs, just on a larger scale, and more of it, there is no reason a larger that necessary cage won't work. Africa is just a really really large enclosure, full of small dark places to hide. It doesn't hurt them to have extra space, even if they won't use it most of the time. If a person prefers to house a snake in a larger-than-is-absolutely-neccesary-for-survival enclosure, and is still able to provide the snake everything it needs... Really, what is the harm in that?! I am not saying snakes want more space, but there is no harm in providing it for them if it's used right. (please don't get mad at me, i am just tired of seeing so many people brought down for wanting to keep their snakes in large roomy enclosures with a bit of freedom to do as they please, if they wish.) i understand that some people feel insulted when told that a rack system is not enough space, and feel the need to defend themselves with the reasoning that the snakes thrive, but still, if a person wants to provide their snake with a mini africa and has the means to do it without harming or freaking out the snake, let them! I already do it with several of my snakes, (who else puts a garter in a 75 gallon?!) and once we move i can assure you i will do it with more of them!

yah no "harm" .....

[justind]

Go to the big open africa and try to find a tame Ball

I don't think that has to do with the amount of space. More likely it's because a ball python living in Africa has never seen a human and is certainly not handled everyday by one, that and they have to deal with parasites and predators.

I would have to agree with wuldier and aSnakeLovinBabe, a large enclosure can work but it takes a lot more effort to provide a suitable environment. I would think that most people that keep their BPs in huge tanks do not properly provide a suitable environment. It's more simple to tell someone to switch their snake to a tub or a smaller tank than to give them instructions on how to make a 100g tank work.