Big snakes, small enclosures.

[DutchHerp]

I'm guessing the temperatures...?

Since when are large boids housed with basking spots well over the 100s?

[littleindiangirl]

Ohhh, so you actually have no proof of the temps in there. Just more poo flinging based on speculation.

[wolfy-hound]

Tapping on the cage, then feeding, and getting a alert response from the animal is what's called "operant conditioning". You can do it with ANY creature that you have a positive reenforcement with. You can teach a ant, a roach, a chicken, a goldfish, or a gorilla with it. You can teach ANYTHING including a reptile with operant conditioning.

Kudos to you. You taught a snake to react when you tapped. You successfully used operant conditioning to get a alert response. How is that significant to any of the discussion?

I use tubs, because my snakes were not happy in large open enclosures with "options". They paced, they rubbed noses, they constantly tried to escape. In the tubs, they hang out and feed regularly, and "seem" more relaxed, without being balled tightly constantly.

Again.. just because someone doesn't do exactly as YOU do, doesn't mean they are wrong.

Connie has a good point too. And plus, why do people keep skipping back and forth? The one was said to be a feeding tub, one was temporary housing while the enclosure was rebuilt, and a few giants were in tubs while some larger ones were being ordered(or built?). I don't think a nile would be happy in a 5 ft tub. But I don't believe I ever heard Brian say that the nile stayed in the tub, and I don't belive I've seen the nile in multiple videos living in the tub.

Again. Please remember that YOUR way is not the ONLY way. I like tubs, but I'm not trying to force you to use tubs, are I? You can give each individual ball python you own a freaking ROOM to hide in for all I care. I'll personally think it's stupid, wasteful, and stressfull on the snake, and keep my opinion to myself unless you post it asking for what people think.

Now, I'd love to one day have a whole indoor room for the blackthroat monitors. When I build a house, I intend to have a reptile specific room, and the reptile rooms will include space for racks for the ball pythons. Not because of money, because I could easily set up in tanks cheaper. Because I truely belive that for my snakes, the racks work better. And I see them quite often.

Thanks for disparaging not only my set ups, but also my level of care, and my love and appreciation of reptiles in general... all because I refuse to keep my pets exactly like you do.

[DutchHerp]

Ohhh, so you actually have no proof of the temps in there. Just more poo flinging based on speculation.

Poo flinging... ah yes, of course.

Let's put it this way...

If Brian keeps his pythons at the "correct temperature", then it's most likely far too low for a Nile.

If Brian keeps his Nile at the "correct temperature", then he's most likely cooking his snakes.

You sounded stupid with that last statement, with all due respect.

[littleindiangirl]

And you have no idea what or how large rack systems work in a breeders building apparently. So you sound pretty stupid, if you ask me.

And btw, not all of those tubs are full in that snake room. Last I was in there, there we're very few snakes. He could easily give a hot spot of 100 in one tub if he wished. He may only have a heat strip, and only on the one tub!

So continue with your baseless assumptions and poo flinging. Simply, you've never been there, you don't know how long the animal was in the tub or the conditions in the room or that one single tub.

Yup, pretty picture you've painted of yourself.

[AaronP]

This sort of resembles the "1 Hide Vs 2 or even 0" arguments people like to bring up about ball pythons...

[Jerhart]

This reminds me of a cyclical debate where the two parties just have to agree to disagree because niether is going to budge on their beliefs on where they stand...kind of like religion.

...or continue the debating...because it is obviously getting somehwere...

[stormwulf133]

And shouldn't a temporary enclosure still provide the animal with the proper requirements?

I guess when I get a reptile shipped, it must be shipped with battery operated thermostats and heat tape. I guess when I go to a reptile show everyone should bring their entire enclosures to house the herps they are selling too. But hmmm how are they going to temporarily keep the heat going in the car they bring them in?

[zackw419]

I think this thread will continue to go on and on until we actually get Brian in here and get down to the facts.


I'm very curious to see what he has to say.

[waltah!]

I honestly don't think Brian should have to come here to explain himself. They are HIS animals and HIS enclosures which make it HIS business. You don't have to like it, and i'm sure the last time he checked he didn't answer to any of us. This thread will continue until everyone just gets tired of it.