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    Re: Big snakes, small enclosures.

    This has been a rather interesting post to read. All bickering aside....

    The size of an enclosure is all about perspective and goals. What sort of behaviors will the enclosure need to allow? What goals does the keeper have with the animal?

    I have seen videos of retics climbing 30'+ trees in a matter of seconds to chase after monkeys. I have also read articles describing pythons to be stationary for extended periods of time. So what behaviors do I need to let them experience in captivity? Does a retic need to climb trees to chase after prey to remain healthy? If they sit in ambush for months at a time, it is ok to let them sit in small spaces in captivity?

    I have articles saying monitors can roam over a territory of over a kilometer in a day's time. I have watched green anoles cross my fenceline and down my neighbor's...that is over a 400' territory. I have seen 2' rough green snakes get from the ground to 15' up in a bush in the blink of an eye. Are the enclosures we provide adequate enough?

    ALL KEEPERS provide inadequate condition with respect to natural conditions. I have yet to see an enclosure that allows ALL natural behaviors and opportunities.

    I love to hear people talk about arboreal enclosure. "Check out this arboreal enclosure I built. Ya, it is 7 feet tall". Actual arboreal snakes can migrate from ground level to the tree tops. And 7 feet is providing enough vertical space? Does a snake know the difference between 3 ft. and 7 ft.? Can they tell the difference between 7 ft. and 30 ft.? Who knows.

    WE keep CAPTIVE animals. What the animal "wants" is insignificant. The conditions that the animal needs to stay alive is the minimum.

    The life processes that THE KEEPER WANTS to see is what matters in choice of enclosure.

    If THE KEEPER'S interest is breeding, the keeper needs an enclosure that allows successful breeding.

    If THE KEEPER'S interest is observation of natural behaviors, the enclosure needs to be built to allow some natural behaviors.

    Enclosures suit THE KEEPER'S goals.

    If the enclosure does not support life. The enclosure is a failure.

    If the enclosure does not allow the life event that the keeper desires...THAT ENCLOSURE IS INADEQUATE.

    We will never agree on the 'rights and wrongs' of keeping reptiles. We all have different goals and perspectives.

    That is what makes the reptile community so interesting.
    Last edited by daniel1983; 05-14-2009 at 11:50 PM.
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