First off, thanks to Colin for coming back to "defend" his snake before I had a chance. When put side by side the black bee and the spider has quite difference appearances. I am no where near a good photographer but in general the black bees colors are darker and tend to have much more white showing then a typical spider. The head tends to have a slightly washed out look. I totally understand that the snake is not a "wow" snake and that is not why I posted it. For you all that can appreciate the genetic possibilities with this snake you know why I financially sacrificed a little to obtain one. Right now he has bred with two normal females, but next year he will be hooking up with a black pastel and a ghost. If everything goes as planned I will be picking up a black pewter to go with him. Think of the potential when bred to a black pewter. Its amazing what this snake can bring to the table. I will talk to Colin and see if I can bring it over to his place in the near future and get some good pics...maybe a pic with a normal spider so you all can see the differences. Anyway, thanks for all the responses...Todd