Male Blackbee

[snakemansnakes]

maybe it was a spider bred to a ghost but would that give you 100%het?

not sure where the black pastel would come into it though

But if it is in fact a blackbee het ghost the only way that would be possible is if one of the parents were either a hypo black pastel or a honeybee, hence where the 100% het would come in, but still would need a regular spider or a black pastel as the other!! Does the OP have a bigger clearer picture of the animal in question?

[mason]

what did the breeder say the parents were?

[Beardedragon]

Like someone else said, it would be some pretty expensive parents to produce that because it would take a hypo black pastel or a hypo spider to make it all of those things. Are you sure he didn't say black back het ghost bred to a spider?

[kc261]

perhaps the breeder had bred a spider to a black pastel and assumed all the offspring would be crosses.

I'm quite sure Colin Weaver knows genetics enough to know this is not true.

The snake could have come from a super black pastel x honeybee, and then all the offspring would be either black pastel het hypo or black bee het hypo. So even if black bees aren't visually different from regular spiders, the genetics would be known.

The pic does look a little darker and less golden than an average spider to me, but that could be the lighting or even just a spider on the darker end of the normal spider range, so I too would like to know if there is a visual clue we have all missed that makes it obviously a black bee.

[Mike Cavanaugh]

Op??? where did you go?!

[ColinWeaver]

I am more than happy to defend against all you nay-sayers out there. Todd's animal is a Black Bee (which is what I call a Black Pastel Spider) and it is het ghost. It was produced by crossing a Honey Bee with an Ian G. line Black Pastel. The clutch produced normal spiders as well as black pastel spiders and there was ZERO ability to confuse the two when they came from the egg. Ian Gniazdowski also acquired one of the male black bees and I doubt any of you here are willing to suggest that he can't tell the difference between a spider and a black pastel spider.

A CinnaBee, a similar morph can be seen here: http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...ider-ball.html

And here is another cinnnabee: http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ima.../cinnabee2.jpg

It is not an impressive morph to look at and I can see how a photo may not allow you to see the subtle indicators that make them recognizable. The Black Widow that was posted is not a CinnaBee nor a Black Bee. Get your facts straight.

So, thanks for slamming me for no reason. You guys are cool.

I'm a professional breeder and have no reason to dupe someone, especially a guy who is a friend (who Todd is). My name is my reputation in the business and cheating people will not help progress as a breeder.

Colin Weaver

[Freakie_frog]

I am more than happy to defend against all you nay-sayers out there. Todd's animal is a Black Bee (which is what I call a Black Pastel Spider) and it is het ghost. It was produced by crossing a Honey Bee with an Ian G. line Black Pastel. The clutch produced normal spiders as well as black pastel spiders and there was ZERO ability to confuse the two when they came from the egg. Ian Gniazdowski also acquired one of the male black bees and I doubt any of you here are willing to suggest that he can't tell the difference between a spider and a black pastel spider.

A CinnaBee, a similar morph can be seen here: http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...ider-ball.html

And here is another cinnnabee: http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ima.../cinnabee2.jpg

It is not an impressive morph to look at and I can see how a photo may not allow you to see the subtle indicators that make them recognizable. The Black Widow that was posted is not a CinnaBee nor a Black Bee. Get your facts straight.

So, thanks for slamming me for no reason. You guys are cool.

I'm a professional breeder and have no reason to dupe someone, especially a guy who is a friend (who Todd is). My name is my reputation in the business and cheating people will not help progress as a breeder.

Colin Weaver

Well there ya go. A Black bee it is...Thanks Colin.

[stratus_020202]

I think he's purdy. The darker black almost makes his goldens come out more

[stratus_020202]

Hey Colin, are you going to be breeding any more of these this season? Wonder what it would look like mixed with a super pastel? Or a super black pastel. Ohhhh, the possibilities are endless.

[Wh00h0069]

I am more than happy to defend against all you nay-sayers out there. Todd's animal is a Black Bee (which is what I call a Black Pastel Spider) and it is het ghost. It was produced by crossing a Honey Bee with an Ian G. line Black Pastel. The clutch produced normal spiders as well as black pastel spiders and there was ZERO ability to confuse the two when they came from the egg. Ian Gniazdowski also acquired one of the male black bees and I doubt any of you here are willing to suggest that he can't tell the difference between a spider and a black pastel spider.

A CinnaBee, a similar morph can be seen here: http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...ider-ball.html

And here is another cinnnabee: http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ima.../cinnabee2.jpg

It is not an impressive morph to look at and I can see how a photo may not allow you to see the subtle indicators that make them recognizable. The Black Widow that was posted is not a CinnaBee nor a Black Bee. Get your facts straight.

So, thanks for slamming me for no reason. You guys are cool.

I'm a professional breeder and have no reason to dupe someone, especially a guy who is a friend (who Todd is). My name is my reputation in the business and cheating people will not help progress as a breeder.

Colin Weaver

Thanks Colin for giving us insight into this matter.