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    Re: Pet Ban- Has anyone heard about this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki View Post
    Don't underestimate the power of the lobbyists and anti-pet organizations that are working all day every day to make this a reality. They are highly organized, well funded, and dedicated to passing this legislation.

    Join PIJAC and USARK and get familiar with their websites ... follow their instructions for getting your voice heard.

    -adam
    Adam is right underestimating this is a mistake. The people looking to push this through are both well versed in the process to do so and are well funded.

    Our bright light is that PIJAC and USARK are also well versed in the process to stopping this. However they are not as well funded.

    Please help!
    PIJAC an USARK have been looking out for us. If you value your pets and your hobby reptile or not.

    Join Me, Adam, and countless others in the fight to make our voice heard and our way of life alive.
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    Re: Pet Ban- Has anyone heard about this?

    Hi,

    Why do they never ban the animals that have caused the most damage to native wildlife in every area they are introduced?

    Cats & dogs have a devastating effect when introduced to new areas - gord forbid the humane society offends the wooly thinking idiots who supply its funds by explaining their fur covered, bum licking, public pooping psycopath doesn't want to "play" with all the squirrels and birds it chases.


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    Re: Pet Ban- Has anyone heard about this?

    I think Dr Del may be on to something here. We need to share facts and figures. If anyone has the time to do some research, we should all know some numbers that we can use in our response letters. How many people are injured or killed each year by dogs or horses, (for instance), vs similar injuries and deaths to people caused by snakes or guppies? Facts are hard to argue with.

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    Re: Pet Ban- Has anyone heard about this?

    It's a really great idea, but information like that isn't going to help a whole lot in this process. HR 669 is about altering the way that USFW classifies non native species in order to protect the United States on many levels. Statistical information about common household pets will really have very little impact on your represenatives in Congress ... The real impact will come from your own polite, respectful, and personal stories about how you will be effected by a ban on species that you keep as pets or breed either for fun and/or profit and how businesses you deal with will be effected financially (i.e. you cage supplier, your rodent supplier, your local pet store, cage cleaning supplier you buy at Walmart, etc).

    If this bill passes, it will be because the members of Congress that vote for it believe that their constituents don't really care about the animals that will become prohibited to keep and breed ... in many of their eyes, "why would anyone actually WANT to keep a snake" ... tell them why ... tell them how keeping your animals brings joy to your life and even how it helps the economy with money you spend. That's what will make the difference.

    Also, I'm sure that in the days ahead there will be a couple different sample letters floated around on the internet in case it's difficult for you to know what to say but you still really want to help ... so definitely keep an eye out!

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    Re: Pet Ban- Has anyone heard about this?

    If they want to ban non native species why are they allowing horses? Horses are not native! These people blow my mind, it is so depressing to read this crap!

    Payday is Friday everyone USARK is $30 and PIJAC is as little as $50 these people will save your hobby! I know every one here has a lot more invested in their animals then $50, do your self, your pets, and this country a favor! Join groups like this that are aimed at stopping useless legislation that only further inhibits your rights! Fight for your freedom if you don't then who will? This gov is aimed at limiting your rights! If we don't fight for freedom then we will lose it! Get out and do something, every one has a roll to play even if it is just sending in your $30 and writing a few letters.

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    Re: Pet Ban- Has anyone heard about this?

    Just got off the phone with our fedex rep. and she is going to push the alert as far as she can with fedex. We are hoping that a major cooperation such as fedex will see the large economic loss they will face from this ban and have so pull.

    If anyone has a good relationship with their UPS rep, delta, Continental, us airways, air france, etc, we recommend spreading the word in a professional manner and asking them to push this issue to the top as these companies can do a lot as far as waking congress up to the fact that the pet industry is more than just people wanting to keep pets, but is a vital part of our economy.
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    Re: Pet Ban- Has anyone heard about this?

    i know,for a fact,the represenative from daytona florida,is pushing to help pass this,he responded to a letter from a member of another forum,saying thier stance is to STOP these animals from causing further harm to our nation.this will be a tough fight,i have been contacting local media and radio stations,and so far have got nothing in response,but i am still trying as the word about this has to get out,most hamster owners,and such have no idea about this,hell,most snake owners have no idea about this

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    Re: Pet Ban- Has anyone heard about this?

    Quote Originally Posted by hoax View Post
    If they want to ban non native species why are they allowing horses? Horses are not native!
    Never mind! I can be a bit of a tard at times I did not read what was written correctly.

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    Re: Pet Ban- Has anyone heard about this?

    Definitely support Pijac and Usark!

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    Re: Pet Ban- Has anyone heard about this?

    I saw this on Redtailboa.net, (link) thought it was a good write up.



    Everybody needs to start preparing a letter and particiapte in this fight to keep our rights
    Here is a little help from USARK with a possible form letter that can be used as a starting
    point for each of us to write our own letter in our own words


    NO on HR669 / Grassroots Organizing 101


    OK everyone just take a deep breath.... we need to look at this problem objectively. This is not the time to panic, it is not the time to get emotional, but it is time for thoughtful, deliberate action!
    If you have been listening to USARK for very long, you knew that this was coming. Many were of the opinion that HR6311 was dead. USARK warned that although it was dead for 2008 it would be reintroduced in 2009. Now we have the newest version, HR669. Now the question becomes: What is the Herp Community going to do about it?






    Let's look at the history of HR669:

    1. It began in 2007 with a petition from the South Florida Water Management District (SFWMD) to USFWS to add Boa, Python and Eunectes to the 'Injurious Wildlife List' of the Lacey Act. That was followed by a Notice of Inquiry published in the Federal Register calling for public comment in early 2008. This constituted the first step in a 'potential' Rule Change to the Lacey Act. This process is under way and can take up to 4 years to effect an actual Rule Change. It is not over. This is still being processed by USFWS.
    2. The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) and the Defenders of Wildlife, unhappy with the pace of progress with a 'potential' Rule Change to the Lacey Act, convince a group of US House members to introduce a bill based on a report written by Defenders of Wildlife called Broken Screens. In July of 2008 HR6311 is introduced into the US House of Representatives. Marshall Myers of PIJAC is present and makes an eloquent point by point rebuttal of the Bill. Because of so many other pressing issues HR6311 dies in the Natural Resources Committee it was assigned to.
    3. USARK warns that even though HR6311 is dead for the legislative session it will be revived in 2009. USARK initiates a petition against HR6311 October 2008.
    4. January 2009 HR6311 is reintroduced as HR669. A group of 10 House members co-sponsor HR669 and it is assigned to the House Natural Resources Committee.

    Facts about HR669:

    1. If passed HR669 would end the import, purchase, sale, trade and breeding of many reptiles and amphibians including boa, python & eunectes. The following is an excerpt from the Bill. SEC. 6. PROHIBITIONS AND PENALTIES.

    (a) Prohibitions- Except as provided in this section or in section 7, it is unlawful for any person subject to the jurisdiction of the United States to--

    (1) import into or export from the United States any nonnative wildlife species that is not included in the list of approved species issued under section 4;


    (2) transport between any State by any means whatsoever any nonnative wildlife species that is not included in the list of approved species issued under section 4;


    (3) violate any term or condition of a permit issued under section 7;


    (4) possess (except as provided in section 3(f)), sell or offer to sell, purchase or offer to purchase, or barter for or offer to barter for, any nonnative wildlife species that is prohibited from being imported under paragraph (1);


    (5) release into the wild any nonnative wildlife species that is prohibited from being imported under paragraph (1); or


    (6) breed any nonnative wildlife species that is prohibited from being imported under paragraph (1), or provide any such species to another person for breeding purposes.

    2. There are 10 sponsors for this Bill. That means this is serious. They want to pass this Bill. Some of sponsors have strong relationships to the HSUS.
    3. HR669 has very little basis in scientific fact. There is no evidence to suggest that banning any of these animals will have any positive effects on the economy, environment, or human or animal species health.
    4. What is certain is that passing HR669 would add to our country's economic decline and devastate American families and small businesses.
    5. Your voice can make the difference in the defeat of HR669!

    What can I do IMMEDIATELY to keep HR669 from passing?

    * Click sponsors name from list below and that will take you to their email portal.
    * Fill in subject field with 'OPPOSE HR669'
    * Cut and paste sample letter into body of email adding your own comments (or write your own letter).
    * Be brief, be polite, be articulate and DO NOT BE DISRESPECTFUL! This is extremely important!! If you can't do this don't bother to make contact.
    * Let them know how HR669 would effect you and your family.
    * Fill in your personal information.
    * Click SUBMIT button.
    * Send a separate email to hr669@yahoo.com with HR669in your in subject line so we can track the number of people participating.

    Sponsors List:

    1. Del. Bordallo
    2. Rep. Napolitano
    3. Rep. Kind
    4. Rep. Grijalva
    5. Rep. Kildee ** NO EMAIL
    6. Rep. Klein
    7. Rep. Hastings
    8. Rep. Abercrombie
    9. Rep. McGovern ** NO EMAIL
    10. Rep. Miller

    Sample Letter: Cut & paste letter.
    Subject: Oppose HR669number
    (Del or Rep Name),
    I oppose HR669. This Bill is not based in science, but in the ideology of powerful special interest groups. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that banning the import, sale and trade of any of these animals will have any positive effect on the economy, environment, or human or animal species health.
    In fact, if passed it would destroy many families and businesses. It would have a decidedly negative impact on an already ailing economy by destroying a vital and growing industry at a time when our country is in need of jobs and growth. The USFWS has just made changes to the CITES export permit process which would allow quality captive bred animals to be more easily exported to international customers. Passing HR669 would negate all the work USFWS has done for over a year. This Bill is a disaster to American small business and families in a time of economic hardship.
    (tell in your own words- what you do and how passing this bill would hurt you and your family)
    Please do not pass HR669.
    Thank you,
    (Your Name)

    * This is just the first step in a proven formula of grassroots politics used by groups such as the NRA and HSUS. Be ready to take the next step soon.
    * Educate yourself to the process.
    * If you haven't already signed, please sign our Petition Against HR669.
    * If you are not a paid member ofUSARK please join today! Fighting legislation like this takes members and money. We need your help to safeguard our Reptile Nation.
    * Don't forget to email hr669@yahoo.com when you're done so we know how many stood up and did their part.

    ***Please do this now and pass it on to everyone on your email list!!
    Join USARK! There is Strength in Numbers... Protect Your Rights!

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