Clyde feeding

[frankykeno]

Good points guys and I do understand your passion to help this particular member take the best care of possible for that snake. Just please remember that sometimes the best way to teach someone is to speak in a language they will understand. That's not to say we need to be wishy washy or spoon feed our less experienced members but sometimes it's just a matter of being a tad less judgemental or harsh in our approach.

As for the newer members with very little experience, please remember that creature you chose to put in an enclosure in your home is 100% relying on you to make the right decisions for it. You will mess up, we all have messed up but if you let your ego get in the way of learning how to avoid messing up again, well you do your snake a real disservice.

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[Stewart_Reptiles]

Slim while you often make good point sometimes your way to deliver the message is just atrocious.

I understand correcting someone and I know you do because so you have the well being of an animal at heart however do you think that your way to deliver the message is getting you anywhere beside looking like the leader of a wolf pack?

Don’t you think a softer approach might go a long way? This goes for you as well as the others who have posted so far and whom I would like to remind that they were newbies themselves not that long ago (some still being newbies in my opinion). Are some of you SO perfect that you never made a mistake?

Do some of you need some of your own medicine so you get a better understanding on how it feels to be on the other side?

How would you feel if next time you ask a question that might seems obvious to some, and people start ganging up on you the way you are doing it here?

I think the OP understands that the excitement of those new additions as well as the excitement of those first successful meals might have make her overlook potential dangers, and I am sure she will be more cautious in the future providing a safe environment during feeding whether it is inside or outside the enclosure.

[BanditNClyde]

Slim while you often make good point sometimes your way to deliver the message is just atrocious.

I understand correcting someone and I know you do because so you have the well being of an animal at heart however do you think that your way to deliver the message is getting you anywhere beside looking like the leader of a wolf pack?

Don’t you think a softer approach might go a long way? This goes for you as well as the others who have posted so far and whom I would like to remind that they were newbies themselves not that long ago (some still being newbies in my opinion). Are some of you SO perfect that you never made a mistake?

Do some of you need some of your own medicine so you get a better understanding on how it feels to be on the other side?

How would you feel if next time you ask a question that might seems obvious to some, and people start ganging up on you the way you are doing it here?

I think the OP understands that the excitement of those new additions as well as the excitement of those first successful meals might have make her overlook potential dangers, and I am sure she will be more cautious in the future providing a safe environment during feeding whether it is inside or outside the enclosure.

i very much agree. like i said before i DIDNT PURPOSELY do that. and i said that id make sure it would never happen again.

[frankykeno]

i very much agree. like i said before i DIDNT PURPOSELY do that. and i said that id make sure it would never happen again.

Yes but understand the passion our membership has for these snakes. Sometimes that does mean a sharp retort and hurt feelings but in the end, this is (or should be) about the best possible chance for a healthy snake and a confident snakekeeper. For me, egos have to go by the wayside when a living creatures needs are the issue.

As long as we all strive for a sense of balance and maturity, I think we do a darn fine job of sharing wisdom around here if I do say so myself.

[Buttons]

i very much agree. like i said before i DIDNT PURPOSELY do that. and i said that id make sure it would never happen again.

So you fed it like that by accident? You DID PURPOSELY feed it like that. There is no denying that.

[Slim]

Slim while you often make good point sometimes your way to deliver the message is just atrocious.

I understand correcting someone and I know you do because so you have the well being of an animal at heart however do you think that your way to deliver the message is getting you anywhere beside looking like the leader of a wolf pack?

Don’t you think a softer approach might go a long way? This goes for you as well as the others who have posted so far and whom I would like to remind that they were newbies themselves not that long ago (some still being newbies in my opinion). Are some of you SO perfect that you never made a mistake?

Do some of you need some of your own medicine so you get a better understanding on how it feels to be on the other side?

How would you feel if next time you ask a question that might seems obvious to some, and people start ganging up on you the way you are doing it here?

I think the OP understands that the excitement of those new additions as well as the excitement of those first successful meals might have make her overlook potential dangers, and I am sure she will be more cautious in the future providing a safe environment during feeding whether it is inside or outside the enclosure.

Deborah,

I spent 23 years training, teaching, and mentoring individuals who, when placed under my supervision, did not have my knowledge or experience. My job was to pass on what I knew in order to get them to my level, with the hope that they would someday surpass me and carry it to the next level.

If you feel my methods of imparting knowlege and correcting mistakes are atrocious and pack leader like, I fear there is little I can do to change your opinion of me. I am not an ignorant man, and I have the ability to adapt to new situations, however, some methods have worked for me for many years with people of vastly disparate backgrounds.

Do I need a dose of my own medicine? Well, it wouldn't be the first time, failure and humility are often the best teachers of any lesson. Pretty good reinforcement as well. I have been on that side of the fence many times and with far more important things hanging in the ballance than how to feed a snake or set up a Iris tub.

I have made many, many mistakes both in BP husbandry and in life. If I do not do my best to ensure others don't learn from the mistakes I've made, then they were truely made in vain. If I can help keep one BP from being mishandled, then in my opinion, a few ruffled feathers is a small price to pay.

How do you think I will feel if have to read a "My BP just fell and is injured", thread posted by someone whose attention I feel I could have gotten?

[Stewart_Reptiles]

So you fed it like that by accident? You DID PURPOSELY feed it like that. There is no denying that.

Was that necessary? Did you just miss the last few posts that were made?

[DutchHerp]

Deborah,

I think the reason for responding so "aggressively" was that one of the OP's last threads resulted in a similar discussion. You probably consider me to be a newbie, and I most definitely am. I am by no means experienced, and I'm learning everyday.

However, to always give people the advice trying to sound nice doesn't always work, IMO. Sometimes you just have to get straight to the point, and in this case it might have been slightly aggressive and "wolf pack"-like, but I believe sometimes this is just necessary.

Didn't/don't mean to offend anyone.

Thanks,

[zhang317]

Matt, you are not a newbie, at least not to me. But the difference here is not how much experience you have, is how much you are willing to learn. Like you said, it seems to you and many others, including me, is what the OP said from previous threads.

Like feed in or out of enclosure debate. Here are the reasons the OP posted:

there are many reasons:

1.they dont swallow substrate they cant digest

2.wont confuse your hand with food everytime you go to pick it up

3.Feeding on a plastic bag is cheaper and more sanitary because you dont have to worry about cleaning up their tank and redoing substrate and all you got to do is rinse down the plastic bag

4.if rats/mice poop or pee you dont have to worry about cleaning that up because itll be on the plastic bag versus in the tank

Yet feeding upside down from a computer desk does not really follow with some of those reasons.

[DutchHerp]

Matt, you are not a newbie, at least not to me.

My friend, the truth is that I am.

I've only been keeping BPs since November!! I am so totally a newb, just didn't make (too many) mistakes, because I've been keeping snakes for longer than that.