hybrids

[littleindiangirl]

Yeah I should have figured that lol. I understand some people have a problem with it but if thats the case they shouldn't read it and ignore it for good. As long as the animals are being sold as hybrids and not being passed as something else and the animal is healthy I don't see a problem with it.

And therein lies the problem. You can't guarantee the animal will be always sold or exchanged as a hybrid. Saying you can is denial.

[AaronP]

Bulls and Pines aren't Colubrids so is that even possible?

[southb]

And therein lies the problem. You can't guarantee the animal will be always sold or exchanged as a hybrid. Saying you can is denial.

So you saying if your at a show and have your table set up you couldn't sell the same person a stp and a ball for fear that they may breed the two together? I don't see this at all. Maybe i'm in denial like you say but maybe it's not about either right or wrong it's just a difference of opinon?

[Lucas339]

i think she means down the road. if you sell it as a hybrid to someone and they breed it and sell it as a non hybrid it becomes a problem.

[southb]

i think she means down the road. if you sell it as a hybrid to someone and they breed it and sell it as a non hybrid it becomes a problem.

Oh yeah, then I agree.....but when I sell I burm or retic I also think that it won't be released into the wild either. You can't help when people do after it's sold. I have signs up about releasing into the wild being wrong and bad for the environment. You can only do so much.

Heck I work at a gun store as well and you can only do so much to keep guns from getting to crimals but what happens when you sell a gun to a guy and he needs some money ten years later and sells it to his friend. The friend sells it to a collector and then blah blah who knows and it gets into the wrong hands? That doesn't mean handguns should be outlawed.

[littleindiangirl]

Oh yeah, then I agree.....but when I sell I burm or retic I also think that it won't be released into the wild either. You can't help when people do after it's sold.

Exactly.

[Gloryhound]

And therein lies the problem. You can't guarantee the animal will be always sold or exchanged as a hybrid. Saying you can is denial.

Can you guarantee that any animal you sell someone will not be used to make a Hybrid? For that matter do you have documents and genetic tests that prove "every" snake in your collection is a pure example of its breed? For that you would have to go all the way back to the wild caught parents and some how test their genetic sequencing against what science has classified as a genetically correct, for the example we will use, ball python strand. From their any morph would have differences that could potentially rule it out as a pure ball python. I hate to tell you this, but Hybrids are born in the wild more often than science would like to admit. Look at the Grizzly bear / Polar Bear hybrid that was found a couple years ago. Then once things become pets they even become more Hybridized, look at Fido the pet dog.

Micro chipping only goes for those owners capable of testing for the Micro chip. Last time I checked the readers cost some money.

[qiksilver]

Can you guarantee that any animal you sell someone will not be used to make a Hybrid? For that matter do you have documents and genetic tests that prove "every" snake in your collection is a pure example of its breed? For that you would have to go all the way back to the wild caught parents and some how test their genetic sequencing against what science has classified as a genetically correct, for the example we will use, ball python strand. From their any morph would have differences that could potentially rule it out as a pure ball python. I hate to tell you this, but Hybrids are born in the wild more often than science would like to admit. Look at the Grizzly bear / Polar Bear hybrid that was found a couple years ago. Then once things become pets they even become more Hybridized, look at Fido the pet dog.

Micro chipping only goes for those owners capable of testing for the Micro chip. Last time I checked the readers cost some money.

You never really make any solid point...

Anyway, to answer the point i think you're trying to make... DUH, that's what we've all been saying, you can't say someone will or won't do something. But the fact of making the hybrid in the first place is a good impetus for others to try and do the same. Your whole, 'anything you sell may be used for a hybrid' is a horrible example.

And the problem with your examples is geographic location. A ball and ... woma, chondro etc. would never occur. I think natural hybrids are fascinating and lead to the evolution of a species, but when crossing a savannah and a rainforest animal for the heck of it is completely different. I'll even admit that some of the hybrids are great looking, but then you think about that fact that in some herps you can't even tell the pure species from the hybrids, then there is in fact a serious problem and the reason behind the resistance to it.

[_Venom_]

Hybrids are cool if you yourself keep them all forever.

[wilomn]

Hybrids are cool if you yourself keep them all forever.

Is it all right with you if I wear my black Chuck's tomorrow or should it be the green ones?

sheesh