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Re: How Frequently Do You Feed Your BPs?
Oh man so many comments
 Originally Posted by SoCaliSon
The analogy was meant to show that to feed f/t becasue your snake might get injured while contricting live prey, would be like somebody serving you perchewed food your entire life through a straw out of the danger you might chip a tooth while chewing. You could argue whether you blend a burger or eat it in bites you will get all the same stuff... But think about the mental effect that years of not being able to exercise your natural feeding behavior would have on you, Even if you were raised like that from birth and you never chewed a bite in your life. Not to mention long term physical muscular effects.
I strongly disagree with this entire line of thought. Humans once had to hunt and gather. Now we do not. Our health as individuals and as a species could be called in to question but there is no doubt that whether or not you hunt and gather is not an issue of health. Humans who maintain a healthy weight and eat frozen food are much healthier than people were 1000 years ago. There is a lot of evidence to back this up. Skeletal remains speak volumes. Comparing human emotional well being to a snakes is like comparing your snakes emotions to your scorpions and your scorpions to your pet rocks. Reptiles do not have the same brain structures as humans. I have no doubt they have emotions but they are alien as far as human comparison goes. Oh and you may be traumatized if I gave you nothing but insects to eat but children raised in other cultures would not. I have two cats who have never killed there meals and they are doing just fine. They are allowed to go outside and hunt if they choose. They like dry cat food.
Some snakes take F/T in the same way they would take a live rat... With attack... contriction... ingestion...
IMO if your snakes stops contricting it is time to start taking steps to get them back into the habit. Because the fact is that you CAN break an animal of it's intinctual behaviors, especially in captive bred animals. All you have to do is provide an environment where they do not need to exercise those behaviors for an extended amount of time. Put a perfectly healthy person a machine that breathes for them for years... Then take them off of it... Chances are they have lost touch eith the area of the brain that automatically tells you to breathe.
I completely agree with this line of thought. By your own admission F/T is fine as long as the snake is acting normally. My BP kills her dead mouse ever time I feed her. I ran out of the size mouse I normally feed her and decided to try feeding her two fuzzies that equal her normal meal size. She struck and constricted both. Sometimes I wonder why she constricts for so long.
As far as the Vegetarian argument that is a whole different debate I will try not to get to far into. I will make just a couple points... The two pointy teeth in my mouth are obviously not there for chewing salad. While studying anthropolgy I learned that there was actually an early race of hominid dating back thousands of years that was entirely vegetarian... Wanna guess what happened??? They died off.
I hesitate to touch this one but here it goes. Vegetarian diets failed in nature because you need a variety of veggies to cover basic dietary needs. I would not suggest trying this with things growing in the woods behind your house but I think Vegetarian diets are feasable in the modern world. On average people would benefit by eating about half as much meat as they do, and shifting the type of meat they eat from red meat to fish. People tend to eat from most to least red meat, fowl, fish when they should eat fish, fowl, red meat.
[quote]As far as nutrition goes... Everything I said above about the oxygenation level in the blood ... and the freshness of fluids in the tissue ... Those are all true. It is the same with the food we freeze for our own human consumption. With the features of the human body we can easily tell who is healthy and who maybe doesn't eat the best. Snakes are different. All we really look at to determine a snakes health is that it eats, that it sheds, and that it sh*ts. Does that mean that those are the only factors related to their health? A person fed junk food their entire life still eats, grows, and defecates... But that by no means does it say that the person is in good health. There is still a lot of research to be done as far as health and nutrition in snakes go, but to accept that you are doing everything right for your snake because it eats sheds and poops I think is falling short because a sickly or malnurished animal could do the same thing. [/qoute]
Ok again this analogy sucks. You are comparing live vs f/t rodents to balanced meals vs junk food. There is no evidence that a human is any less healthy if the food they eat is frozen while fresh and eaten in a reasonable period of time. Whether or not something is frozen is very very minor compared to what you eat.
There was a great point in the article i found ( I will post a link bellow)... But it was along these lines. Take your newborn baby to the doctor and tell him that you are planning on raising your baby on frozen food alone and they will call child protective services on you. Maybe a baby could survive on a frozen food diet...but would obviously would not be as healthy as if they were allowed to eat fresh food and who knows what kind of long term effects would be suffered. I think it is obvious... Fresh food will always offer more benifit than something frozen for an extended amount of time.
This is not true either. Take breast feeding for instance. Breast feeding is natural and healthy. It has many benefits over formula feeding your baby. There are many studies that point to negative affects if you fail to breast feed your child. If you tell a doctor you will be bottle feeding they will try to talk you into breast feeding then give you two cans of formula and send you home with your child. They will then encourage feeding mush after a while and then a balanced diet of meat and veggies most of which are frozen in the civilized world. The doctor will take your kid away only if neglect is smacking them in the face.
[quote]It is even different in this case cause in frozen human food we have preservatives and additives that help offset what gets lost in freezing... Frozen Thawed Rats get nothing! The point is made... That if nothing is lost in Freezing food... Then why do the frozen food companies go through the extensive time and effort required to add these preservatives to our frozen foods?[/qoute]
Thinking for one second that anything a food company does is at all related to your health is a joke. The answer to the question of why does a publicly traded company do anything is always, to make more money. They add additives and preservatives to our food so they can advertise higher nutrition content on the label and so the food will keep longer.
I think that much like being a parent of a human child, as long as you are responsible and educated you are going to do just fine. Feeding F/T is a complex statement that can be good or bad. Are you getting healthy rodents frozen quickly shortly after being killed or sickly creatures killed and frozen hours later allowed to thaw and be refrozen multiple times before they get to you. Feeding live is much the same. Animals in the wild are not always better off. Humans are a great case in point. I am much happier in my heated home with climate control and frozen pizza and steaks and veggies in the fridge than I would be trying to survive the wilds of Northern New York. Cats are another great example. They are not truly domesticated like dogs are. They are just happy to share territory with a human or two. If you are serious about creating an environment like a ball python would have in the wild then expose it to an eagle or other predator every now and again. Should be good for its health and well being after all.
No offense intended to anyone, I too just like a spirited debate.
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