Thats a nice post Mark...but from im sittin im not seeing any of open minded tolerance thing your talking about...

i got asked to come over and get active on this board by some friends..and Ive never seen such a militant bunch on any forum before...

if anything is different than what the barkers or kevin wrote about then you basically get called an idiot or told you dont know what your doing...then more flames....someone says hey do what works for you ...a few more flames...moderator...then everyone plays nice again...

I cant totally understand why john is wanting to leave..