For all you fire/vanilla experts, I need help identifying these two!

[deathblooms]

Well like the title says, I'm not 100% on what these two little guys are, they have both shed and changed drastically since they hatched. The pairing was vanilla x fire.

This first one I'm almost positive is a vanilla, imo his pattern looks just like his father.




This second one is giving me the trouble, at first I was thinking vanilla, now that the blushing has set in and I look at the mother, I'm thinking fire




Here's both of them together, possible fire is on the bottom


and finally the parents
Dad

Mom


Let me know what you think!

Thanks!