Thanks for everyones thoughts.. now I ask again, not to seem rude, but who has had experience doing this... the human situation sounds simple, but with balls 2 different fathers have sired clutches MANY times, and there has been genetics from BOTH fathers each time.
That is a fact. Has been done. Many times. Happens alot!

Give you an example.. bought some adult normal females last season. Person said he tried breding to morphs but they didn't take. I immediately put my males on them. One female in question, bred by my spotnose, gave 7 babies... 1 spotnose, 4 normals, and 2 cinnys. Netiher the spotnose or the normal female were cinny. Only reasonable explanation, the previous owner put a cinny on her first.

If you can or cannot get a pastave in this situation, i'm not sure of, because I don't know how these genetics work in BPs.

So to keep it simple if we did get pastels and mojaves, some seem to feel the pastels only would be het pied. not the mojaves. but how can we really know this. the normals, obviously could've come from both males, so they are a crap shoot.

Now to be clear, this is not something i'm planning to do or something i'm trying to figure out how to market and sell.

I was trying to find out from experience, meaning if anyone has done this and proven it out, if crossing two males to a female, one codom, and one codom+recessvie, and we see results from both fathers, how exactly that recessive gene will come into play.

PLEASE, if you have not proven this, PLEASE do not give opinions, because this simply gets way confusing and out of control! I posted here in BP Breeding thinking someone may have had experience doing this and can share their results.

To simplify, if it were a mojave and a pied dad, to a normal, and you got mojaves and normals.. how would you know the pied gene isn't in there as well? Of course only by breeding. THIS is what I want to know. Does anyone know to have proven this out.

Thanks again

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Quote Originally Posted by snakehobbyist View Post
You will not get a pastave since you cannot mix male DNA. For example (and for sake of argument), you have a White woman (human). She sleeps with a black man and an Asian man (I'm not trying to be racist....this is just for sake of argument). She gets pregnant. The baby will be either a Black-white mix or an Asian-White mix. The baby can only be fathered by one man. You will never find (in this scenario for example) a Black Asian baby from a White woman.

The same goes with your snakes. The babies from your normal female will be either mojave, pastel het pied, or normals (some het pied, some not het pied). If you get mojave babies, you know for sure that the mojave male sired them and they will NOT be het pied since the pastel pied and the mojave DNA do not mix (think of the Black-Asian example above). If your babies are pastel, they can only be sired by the pastel pied and WILL be het pied since the father was piebald. Now...you will end up with some normals as well. You cannot outwardly tell which male sired it. You could look for het pied markers, but those are not always reliable. Unlike the other person, I would not sell them as 50% het pied. They either are het...or they aren't. But since you don't know for sure, you will need to do the honest thing and sell them as plane jane normals. However, you could say they were possibly sired by the pastel pied and be het pied (or you could just say the father is either a pastel pied or a mojave and not say anything about what they might be het for). Then, the buyer can make the choice to buy a normal and try and prove her out if they wanted to. That saves you later if they don't prove out het pied and the owner comes back pissed off because you sold them a het animal when it really wasn't het.

I hope that made a little bit of sense...

So this seems like the most straightforward legit answer and pretty much what I was looking for.. if you did get mojaves and pastels, the mojaves would def not be het pied and the pastels would def be het pied. obviously normals are crap shoot.

and the males dna won't mix.. is that just with the pastel and mojave genes? is it different with other morphs, because they do or do not rest on the same allele? or no.. ?