I can't really speak to that aspect of the original comment about HPs. The ones I purchase for my handguns are by far more expensive than stadard military style ball ammo. I think Hydra-Shocks for my .45 ACP cost me about $22 for 20 rounds (it's been a while since I purchased any since I don't shoot those at the range, and thankfully, I haven't needed to use them for their intended purpose).