I'm not arguing that it hasn't been done, just that if it has why is there no concrete evidence of such, I'm aware the genetic calulator isn't the be all, end all. I challenge you too search the net and find proof of one, because I surely couldn't. As to the cinni and BP being the same, then why does a super from one of each look so differant then 2 of either? I agree that since the gene has been outcrossed and inbred, there has been a dilution of the differances between the 2 lines. However I still feel there is a significant differance, and I much prefer the BP look to the cinni. I feel there is a much bigger difference then in say lessers and Butters. But you know what they say about opinions. Great discussion guys, keep it comming.